Sponsors with Hosted Free Sites

gideon · 2004-05-12, 12:09 AM

I am puzzled at why the majority of sponsors haven't started offering hosted free sites. Are there any thoughts on this?

I would think it would double their traffic and income almost over night...

Just curious

-- Gideon

Greenguy · 2004-05-12, 06:59 AM

Join the crowd

I think most of them:
A - don't know anything about free sites
B - are blinded by the amount of TGP traffic & think there's no need for hosted free sites.

Of course, there seems to be another sponsor making hosted free sites each week, so things are getting better

SirMoby · 2004-05-12, 08:46 AM

Free Hosted Sites (FHS) are great traffic but it takes a different commitment to create them then it does to just create Galleries. Many programs have 1 or 2 TGP templates that they use and they'll create 100s of galleries with just those templates. To get started with FHS requires about 30 templates and most designers don't know anything about free sites.

One of the best things about creating and submitting free sites is having some top Google sites linking to your free site and getting some great SE traffic. With HFS the link lists have affiliate codes and things in the links and Google doesn't count that so you loose some of the effectiveness.

All that being said, I'm creating FHS and seeing some returns from the effort. It has required a lot more effort (huge in comparison) then the FHG and the returns don't come as fast.

The truth is that I hope programs don’t create more free hosted sites then I’ll be the only one and it will be easier to justify

I wonder if I could get XXX Jay to write some copy for my FHS. If they didn't convert at least they'd be a great read and I'm sure to get them listed

gideon · 2004-05-12, 10:41 AM

GreenGuy and SirMoby - Very informative stuff! I didn't think about the fact that there is more involved than building TGP templates or that you would need to make alot more templates then for tgp galleries.

You are right about the fact that most designers don't know jack about building free sites, especially the marketing end. Honestly most designers are just skillful with a slick graphics program and they can make it look real nice but even alot of the TGP template designs out there LACK the marketing that is essential to a good design that will convert.

I think we will probably see more Sponsor programs start offering FHS but it will probably take a push from big DAWGS like a little cousin of Slimer's from Ghostbusters..

*hint* *hint* *nudge* *nudge*

Peace,
-- Gideon

tat2jr · 2004-05-13, 07:48 AM

Damn, I guess I need to get off my ass and make some hosted free sites out of my content. Expect the first batch in the next month!

gideon · 2004-05-13, 01:26 PM

Thats the ticket! Who's next?

tat2jr · 2004-05-14, 04:56 AM

Hopefully some kind soul will step up and help the server challenged!

To do my hosted thumbnail pages I'm using SSI. I have my webmasters using the following type of link code:

Code:

http://www.hostedgalleries.info/hosted-galleries/Yoshi/Y03-Denim/index.shtml?resellercode

And then on my page (which I give a shtml ending) I have the following code for each of my banners:

Code:

<A HREF="http://clicktrack.wnu.com/clicktrack.php?co_code=704&rs_code=<!--#echo var="QUERY_STRING"-->&target=www.amateurupskirts.com">

Can I do the same thing for a hosted free site, but just name each page in the site .shtml and have the above code on banners on every page? Will the code follow through over multiple pages?

If not, what's my option? (Remember I'm a dumb, dumb boy when it comes to server issues

)

Thanks in advance for your help!

Greenguy · 2004-05-14, 07:14 AM

In theory, yes, it's the same way - but you have to carry on the webmaster's account number from page to page, so the coding for the "enter" link that leads to the main page would have to look something like:

http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host...nim/main.shtml

& then the links from there to the galleries would look like:

http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host.../galery1.shtml
http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host...gallery2.shtml

tat2jr · 2004-05-14, 08:08 AM

Cool, thanks for the quick answer Green guy. I'll do 2 or 3 in the next couple days and post them here to get comments before I go crazy and do 50 of 'em!

What would you guys be more interested in first.... panty or cheerleader? Also, how many free sites per template would be acceptable (with a different header graphic, and different color schemes changed for each free site)?

Greenguy · 2004-05-14, 08:42 AM

Some will want panty, some will want cheerleader, some will want legit upskirts - some of us, like me, will want all

As far as templates go, I'd swap them out as much as possible - if you do 5 free sites a week for partners, then I'd probably make them all different templates & maybe re-use them the next week for different niche's.

tat2jr · 2004-05-28, 03:54 PM

Alright, I have 5 of these hosted sites made (and should have another 5 done by the end of the weekend). I just need to change out the shtml for the html on the other 4 of them I have now. Before I did that I wanted you guys to test it out for me. Plus comments on the site. Anyway, I made a test page to send the "reseller" through the site. I put mouse overs on the banners, so right click. Let me know if there are any problems or reasons you link list owners wouldn't want this on your site (with your reseller code passed through of course):

http://www.hostedsites.info/cheerlea...eeks/test.html

Greenguy · 2004-05-28, 04:03 PM

I have 2-1/2 words for you.....That'll Work!

DangerDave · 2004-05-28, 06:37 PM

as GG said... looks good..

DD

Tuna · 2004-05-28, 08:24 PM

Nice job tat2jr. keeps us posted on when you get more sites made. ill use some

tat2jr · 2004-05-28, 11:16 PM

Thanks guys! Been working on them all day. Once I have a bigger list done I'll post them here. I have 7 made as of now, and 3 are on the server ready to go.

I'm having an employee make 'em, and he only knows dreamweaver......... my god that program outputs some awful, awful HTML. I'm having to go through each site and clean it up so the search engines might take notice.

gideon · 2004-05-28, 11:53 PM

tat2jr - If you need some help with critiques post the sites before you get them finalized. I'm sure you can get some valuable info on getting conversions up, increasing search engine traffic, and making the sites fit into what alot of places are looking for.

If you don't want to post the sites before you release them shoot me a PM and I will review the site privately and shoot you some advice..

Off the top of my head I would just like to mention that you are skipping some really important items on your sites for the Search Engines..other than that though .. hats off to you bro for getting some FHS up and going .. I wish others would follow suit.

Gideon

FiReC · 2004-05-29, 12:36 AM

I hope everyone is taking advantage of our hosted free sites

tat2jr · 2004-05-29, 12:42 AM

gideon -
Sure, I wouldn't mind some critiques. I know these aren't really SE ready, but I'm just trying to fix what he did quickly, and not rewrite the whole site. If you'd like to critique some sites for SE, go for these:
www.hostedgalleries.info
www.amateurupskirts.com
www.nichemoney.com
Those 3 I tried to do what I could to make the search engines notice them. would love to hear your opinions.

Here's the 3 galleries I have done so far:
http://www.hostedsites.info/asian-sc...shtml?reseller
http://www.hostedsites.info/see-thro...shtml?reseller
http://www.hostedsites.info/cheerlea...shtml?reseller
Like I said when I redid these sites from my employee's Dreamweaver crap I was really going for speed, so I know they're not optimized. Feel free to comment on anything though.

BTW - those 3 hosted sites are ready to go if anyone wants to put them in their list.

Greenguy · 2004-05-29, 07:59 AM

tat2jr - just a suggestion, but start to put the list up on your site someplace (maybe on http://www.nichemoney.com/marketing.html perhaps?) & put the dates you added them next to them so morons like me know what's new & what I already have

Then spam..errr..ahhh..ummm send a newsletter out once a week with the newest free sites

graphicdude · 2004-06-02, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirMoby
Free Hosted Sites (FHS) are great traffic but it takes a different commitment to create them then it does to just create Galleries.

You said it right. Also a lot of designers do not know about Free sites either. I think there is a decent market for good free site designers to create them for sponsor programs. We have only had our hosted free sites active for a short time.
http://www.howigotrich.com/hosted_freesites.htm

Thanks, Greenguy for showing them some love

tat2jr · 2004-06-02, 09:36 AM

Thanks green guy for the suggestion. I will definetly do that.

I said you guys could link to those 3 sites, but I needed to change the URL a bit. I checked stats before doing so, and saw that no one had linked them yet. Anyway, I realized that I needed to put them in an amateur-upskirts folder so I could keep them all in order when I start my other paysites soon. If anyone had those 3 in their update que just add "amateur-upskirts" between the domain, and site folder, or just wait a day or two.

I'll be updating the marketing page in the next couple days, and will post in this thread so people can get them linked up.

2004-05-12, 12:09 AM	#1
gideon They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 145	Sponsors with Hosted Free Sites I am puzzled at why the majority of sponsors haven't started offering hosted free sites. Are there any thoughts on this? I would think it would double their traffic and income almost over night... Just curious -- Gideon

2004-05-12, 06:59 AM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Join the crowd I think most of them: A - don't know anything about free sites B - are blinded by the amount of TGP traffic & think there's no need for hosted free sites. Of course, there seems to be another sponsor making hosted free sites each week, so things are getting better __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-05-13, 07:48 AM	#5
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Damn, I guess I need to get off my ass and make some hosted free sites out of my content. Expect the first batch in the next month! __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-05-14, 04:56 AM	#7
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Hopefully some kind soul will step up and help the server challenged! To do my hosted thumbnail pages I'm using SSI. I have my webmasters using the following type of link code: Code: http://www.hostedgalleries.info/hosted-galleries/Yoshi/Y03-Denim/index.shtml?resellercode And then on my page (which I give a shtml ending) I have the following code for each of my banners: Code: <A HREF="http://clicktrack.wnu.com/clicktrack.php?co_code=704&rs_code=<!--#echo var="QUERY_STRING"-->&target=www.amateurupskirts.com"> Can I do the same thing for a hosted free site, but just name each page in the site .shtml and have the above code on banners on every page? Will the code follow through over multiple pages? If not, what's my option? (Remember I'm a dumb, dumb boy when it comes to server issues ) Thanks in advance for your help! __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-05-14, 07:14 AM	#8
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	In theory, yes, it's the same way - but you have to carry on the webmaster's account number from page to page, so the coding for the "enter" link that leads to the main page would have to look something like: http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host...nim/main.shtml<!--#echo var="QUERY_STRING"--> & then the links from there to the galleries would look like: http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host.../galery1.shtml<!--#echo var="QUERY_STRING"--> http://www.hostedgalleries.info/host...gallery2.shtml<!--#echo var="QUERY_STRING"--> __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-05-12, 08:46 AM	#3
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	Free Hosted Sites (FHS) are great traffic but it takes a different commitment to create them then it does to just create Galleries. Many programs have 1 or 2 TGP templates that they use and they'll create 100s of galleries with just those templates. To get started with FHS requires about 30 templates and most designers don't know anything about free sites. One of the best things about creating and submitting free sites is having some top Google sites linking to your free site and getting some great SE traffic. With HFS the link lists have affiliate codes and things in the links and Google doesn't count that so you loose some of the effectiveness. All that being said, I'm creating FHS and seeing some returns from the effort. It has required a lot more effort (huge in comparison) then the FHG and the returns don't come as fast. The truth is that I hope programs don’t create more free hosted sites then I’ll be the only one and it will be easier to justify I wonder if I could get XXX Jay to write some copy for my FHS. If they didn't convert at least they'd be a great read and I'm sure to get them listed

2004-05-12, 10:41 AM	#4
gideon They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 145	GreenGuy and SirMoby - Very informative stuff! I didn't think about the fact that there is more involved than building TGP templates or that you would need to make alot more templates then for tgp galleries. You are right about the fact that most designers don't know jack about building free sites, especially the marketing end. Honestly most designers are just skillful with a slick graphics program and they can make it look real nice but even alot of the TGP template designs out there LACK the marketing that is essential to a good design that will convert. I think we will probably see more Sponsor programs start offering FHS but it will probably take a push from big DAWGS like a little cousin of Slimer's from Ghostbusters.. hint hint nudge nudge Peace, -- Gideon

2004-05-13, 01:26 PM	#6
gideon They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 145	Thats the ticket! Who's next?

2004-05-14, 08:08 AM	#9
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Cool, thanks for the quick answer Green guy. I'll do 2 or 3 in the next couple days and post them here to get comments before I go crazy and do 50 of 'em! What would you guys be more interested in first.... panty or cheerleader? Also, how many free sites per template would be acceptable (with a different header graphic, and different color schemes changed for each free site)? __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files Last edited by tat2jr; 2004-05-14 at 08:11 AM..

2004-05-14, 08:42 AM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Some will want panty, some will want cheerleader, some will want legit upskirts - some of us, like me, will want all As far as templates go, I'd swap them out as much as possible - if you do 5 free sites a week for partners, then I'd probably make them all different templates & maybe re-use them the next week for different niche's. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-05-28, 03:54 PM	#11
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Alright, I have 5 of these hosted sites made (and should have another 5 done by the end of the weekend). I just need to change out the shtml for the html on the other 4 of them I have now. Before I did that I wanted you guys to test it out for me. Plus comments on the site. Anyway, I made a test page to send the "reseller" through the site. I put mouse overs on the banners, so right click. Let me know if there are any problems or reasons you link list owners wouldn't want this on your site (with your reseller code passed through of course): http://www.hostedsites.info/cheerlea...eeks/test.html __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-05-28, 04:03 PM	#12
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I have 2-1/2 words for you.....That'll Work! __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-05-28, 06:37 PM	#13
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	as GG said... looks good.. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-05-28, 08:24 PM	#14
Tuna Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY, NJ Posts: 94	Nice job tat2jr. keeps us posted on when you get more sites made. ill use some __________________ Submit Your Free Sites

2004-05-28, 11:16 PM	#15
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Thanks guys! Been working on them all day. Once I have a bigger list done I'll post them here. I have 7 made as of now, and 3 are on the server ready to go. I'm having an employee make 'em, and he only knows dreamweaver......... my god that program outputs some awful, awful HTML. I'm having to go through each site and clean it up so the search engines might take notice. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-05-28, 11:53 PM	#16
gideon They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 145	tat2jr - If you need some help with critiques post the sites before you get them finalized. I'm sure you can get some valuable info on getting conversions up, increasing search engine traffic, and making the sites fit into what alot of places are looking for. If you don't want to post the sites before you release them shoot me a PM and I will review the site privately and shoot you some advice.. Off the top of my head I would just like to mention that you are skipping some really important items on your sites for the Search Engines..other than that though .. hats off to you bro for getting some FHS up and going .. I wish others would follow suit. Gideon

2004-05-29, 12:36 AM	#17
FiReC A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 53	I hope everyone is taking advantage of our hosted free sites __________________ www.katrina18.com \| www.nubiles.net \| www.sweetkandie.com \| www.vickyvane.com

2004-05-29, 12:42 AM	#18
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	gideon - Sure, I wouldn't mind some critiques. I know these aren't really SE ready, but I'm just trying to fix what he did quickly, and not rewrite the whole site. If you'd like to critique some sites for SE, go for these: www.hostedgalleries.info www.amateurupskirts.com www.nichemoney.com Those 3 I tried to do what I could to make the search engines notice them. would love to hear your opinions. Here's the 3 galleries I have done so far: http://www.hostedsites.info/asian-sc...shtml?reseller http://www.hostedsites.info/see-thro...shtml?reseller http://www.hostedsites.info/cheerlea...shtml?reseller Like I said when I redid these sites from my employee's Dreamweaver crap I was really going for speed, so I know they're not optimized. Feel free to comment on anything though. BTW - those 3 hosted sites are ready to go if anyone wants to put them in their list. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-05-29, 07:59 AM	#19
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	tat2jr - just a suggestion, but start to put the list up on your site someplace (maybe on http://www.nichemoney.com/marketing.html perhaps?) & put the dates you added them next to them so morons like me know what's new & what I already have Then spam..errr..ahhh..ummm send a newsletter out once a week with the newest free sites __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-06-02, 09:36 AM	#21
tat2jr Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 73	Thanks green guy for the suggestion. I will definetly do that. I said you guys could link to those 3 sites, but I needed to change the URL a bit. I checked stats before doing so, and saw that no one had linked them yet. Anyway, I realized that I needed to put them in an amateur-upskirts folder so I could keep them all in order when I start my other paysites soon. If anyone had those 3 in their update que just add "amateur-upskirts" between the domain, and site folder, or just wait a day or two. I'll be updating the marketing page in the next couple days, and will post in this thread so people can get them linked up. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

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