Anyone had experiences with P2P traffic?

[LB]

I am really interested in either buying or trying to generate some p2p traffic, and wondered if any of you guys had any experience with it?

Is it productive or are you just dealing with a few million freeloaders?

[Mr. Blue]

I'd be interested in knowing this as well. In theory you would think the traffic would suck because the freeloader nature of p2p to begin with, but maybe some type of sponsors would work with that type of traffic.

[ronnie]

I've heard of people trying to sell porn on like bit torrents, but never heard of much success. I would think the same as Mr Blue, seems it would be pretty worthless. Maybe some free e-zine programs or the likes might make it?

Then again, traffic is traffic, it can be used in other ways, or exchanged.

ronnie

[Toby]

Seems to me it would be about like trying to sell porn on fusker.

[sean]

Who would ever want to pay for porn,when they can download quality DVDs for free?

[Far-L]

I know some amateurs (non corporate) were doing really well with it. We are just about to try it out so I will certainly let you know in this thread once we start seeing numbers.

[LB]

Yeah I have heard mixed reviews of the traffic.

I suppose it depends on how much you give away and how agressively you can advertise on what you are giving away. Anyone else ... anyone who has actually fiddled around with this kinda traffic (eg kazza, morphius etc etc) ?

[GenXer]

I've dealt with it, and it's not very good quality. Only buy if you can pay bottom bottom dollar

[Papa]

I don't beleive in this type of traffic. Plus the price tag for this kind of traffic is way too much. Unless you will use it to feed a site or send them to an installer program etc....
Or eraser bull

[docholly]

Originally Posted by LB

Yeah I have heard mixed reviews of the traffic.

I suppose it depends on how much you give away and how agressively you can advertise on what you are giving away. Anyone else ... anyone who has actually fiddled around with this kinda traffic (eg kazza, morphius etc etc) ?

In the early days of kazza..i did a few of my camhoe pics on it.. with embedded urls in the pics..lot of work, and low return on sales, altho there were some. I used to embed my url on my music as well.. and used camdollies as my user name so i'm not sure which portion the traffic actually came from.

[PersignupDustin]

Originally Posted by sean

Who would ever want to pay for porn,when they can download quality DVDs for free?

Yeah seems like P2P isn't the most righteous way to go in order to turn profit...

[melloman]

There was a sponsor that worked with p2p. I cant thing of what the sponsor program was but it wasn't around for long

[[BV]]

I have done it for a long time and it's not as lucrative and more tricky than it once was. Not to mention horrible conversions. But so what. Every little bit helped. Typically you are looking at ratios in the 1:20k-50k range overall.

There are basically 3 ways (that i know of) you can get a p2p user from your video to your website:

1st way is the obvious way by watermarking your url clearly on the video (or picture in this method) and if they like what they see enough they will type in the url. Ratios are much better with this method.

2nd way is pretty shot now but there used to be a day when you could use MS script indexer tool to modify the wmv file to pop a url in IE at any point or multiple points during a video. I refer to this as "spiking". It still works occasionally but only on older WM players that have never been updated or ones that have their default settings changed. Now and for the past couple years the default settings have changed for WMP and the "run script commands when present" check box is now unchecked by default rendering this method not useless but almost useless.

3rd way is with DRM, and there are several different ways using DRM to get the p2p movie user from your clip to your website. Some tricky some not.

[sukime69]

We have tried several experiments ourselves with it, and had one affiliate that actually put a lot of work into it and the returns were dismal.

I agree the very nature of the traffic makes it unlikely to get many sales, cause they just keep downloading all the stuff that has been stolen and put up. I was pretty skeptical about how it would work out, so I wasnt too disappointed.

I think there are much better ways to generate higher quality traffic.

[GunnCat]

Along the same lines, does anyone know how to create those popups from a video file? We're trying to find some resources on it, but we haven't had any luck.

Doh, just saw BV's post.

[melloman]

Wasn't the sponsors name called swapbucks or something close to that

[Ramster]

I have heard good things mostly but have no idea for sure. I am now trying something out with this myself but on the less agressive side of things where the URL is on the videos only, no popups to the site.

I will let you know how it goes.

[natalie]

Would distributing images via p2p fit into any content providers licensing? Or sponsors free content license? I had a look at a few contracts and although they don't seem to say you can't, they don't actually say you can.
I realise most of the people here who have used p2p probably owned full rights to the content they were distributing so it doesn't count for them. Just curious for anyone thats thinking of using other content.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by natalie

Would distributing images via p2p fit into any content providers licensing? Or sponsors free content license? I had a look at a few contracts and although they don't seem to say you can't, they don't actually say you can.
I realise most of the people here who have used p2p probably owned full rights to the content they were distributing so it doesn't count for them. Just curious for anyone thats thinking of using other content.

Good point and my guess most sponsors would say no because in order for the affiliate to gain anything the affiliate would have to utilize the methods i mentioned in my above post:

Reasons why.

1. not with typeins, because most sponsors will say no to re watermarking the your url on their video. and since there would be no advantage in an affiliate sharing the original promo clip this rules out typeins.

2. Spiking maybe if the video was spiked with the affiliates link code and thats it (no re watermarking)

3. DRM would be iffy also.

Mainly because once that watermarked, spiked or drm'd video is out there, it's out there, for ever with that code embedded with no changing it. I'm sure you could see where that could be a problem down the road in some cases.

So yah using sponsor content to do this is not really good. Definitely do this type of promotion with your own or bought content.

Cheers,
BV

[KG Gary]

There's also the possible issue of fueling the anti-porn fire by allowing free and easy access to adult material to non-legal age folks.
The number of youngsters using P2P is astounding, and I wouldn't like anyone pointing to files I'd released saying "He made this freely available to kids - shut down the industry!"

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by natalie

Would distributing images via p2p fit into any content providers licensing?

When I did it I was told to use content I had shot exclusive. Exclusive is much better with a broader license usually.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by KG Gary

There's also the possible issue of fueling the anti-porn fire by allowing free and easy access to adult material to non-legal age folks.
The number of youngsters using P2P is astounding, and I wouldn't like anyone pointing to files I'd released saying "He made this freely available to kids - shut down the industry!"

The company distributing the videos for me are adding a disclaimer before the video starts. Not that stops kids from downloading it but it is at least an effort.

[[BV]]

Some of the trickier methods I've seen you don't even need any real content. Just encode your own blank video and drm it so that it pops a window before playing.

Then place a blind link in that window that says: "Click to Play Video"

and send them to a movie tour or fhg or whatever

[JohnWebcams.com]

I would think this would be good for sponsors or for people with really easy to remember domain names, but can't really see how there is a return otherwise. We would be interested in putting webcam girl shows up, though... we might give it a try to see.

[Rocco]

I had a lot of such kind of traffic, the only advertisement on the files was the watermark on the movie clips what should generate type ins to my paysite, but I didn't have much success at that: the de jura that freeloaders very seldom pay for porn seems to be de facto