Free site, AVS stuff

SheepGuy · 2007-10-01, 03:06 AM

Bah, I spent a few hours this weekend looking at where my money comes from and how many hours it took me to earn it and I reached a couple of conclusions I had been leaning towards for a while. OTB gave me the idea to dig deeper, and it's good shit like that that keeps me showing up every Saturday

Freesites don't convert well for me, maybe my sales approach sucks on them, maybe I give too much away, I'm not sure. Reviewers like 'em, but they don't convert as well as I think they should. Maybe I'm stifled by the rules, but I know I don't have as much fun building them as I do building other stuff. That likely has something to do with it as well.

When I build and promote an AVS site properly I'm damn near guaranteed a sale in the first couple of days, and more coming through the months and years. Sites that take me 30 minutes to build make me more money than freesites that take me 90 minutes. So I'll build accordingly.
Free sites send quantity traffic to my LL and my solo girl site, both of which make decent money for me, but I have no clue how productive that traffic is compared to the traffic coming from AVS sites, I suspect free site traffic is less so. I'll keep building free sites, but less than before, spending more time on AVS.

Just my experience as to what is working for me, and I no longer preach the AVS gospel, because it is not for everyone, but as more and more LL's start listing them I see them as a big part of my future plans.

And I'm not saying free sites suck as a business model, just that after a year of building them, they don't work so well for me. I'm going to spend a bit of time and money on galleries as well, I haven't really given them a fair shot.

10 years in the biz and I'm still a newbie

virgohippy · 2007-10-01, 06:39 PM

I re-evaluated my work hours/money flow a few months back; I made a similar decision about freesites as you.

I plan to build more freesites again, eventually. Though, probably not the same way, nor for the same reasons, as when I first started.

I second the value of MML's weekly OTB.

LD · 2007-10-01, 10:35 PM

Do you think people browse freesites and get what they need for free, then move on? I'm getting an awful lot of hits on my gallery pages, but sales are few and far between. Makes me wonder....

JustRobert · 2007-10-02, 12:42 AM

I third the value of MML's almost weekly OTB. Man does deserve a vacation now and again

Sheepguy, I still feel like a newbie too and its been 6 yrs today for my first gallery submission.

Luscious, to quote something MML stated a few weeks back. "Every page is an opportunity to sell." Freesites for the most part give the most ad space with their structure than any other free traffic source of quality and quantity. But they are very structured and can be stifling for some.

This is just my opinion, freesites do not give away too much porn the webmaster does. Many have forgotten the art of tease or making the surfer want more. No build up what so ever, just money shots

Can you sell hardcore with just softcore pics? Yes you can. Most LL, TGP, etc have unfortunately made it much much harder than it once was. So do it on your hubs and whatever else you can come up with.

SheepGuy · 2007-10-02, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRobert

Can you sell hardcore with just softcore pics? Yes you can. Most LL, TGP, etc have unfortunately made it much much harder than it once was. So do it on your hubs and whatever else you can come up with.

LOL! I'd damn near bet money that I could put up an AVS site with pictures of sheep on the front end, promising pics and movies of foxes and beavers and such inside, and make a few sales

I may just try that, I have the sheep

Licker4U · 2007-10-02, 09:48 AM

I also owe MML a big THANK YOU for a comment on OTB a while back. He said not to overlook niche specific link lists when submitting free sites. Since I build a lot of squirting sites I looked around and couldn't find any link lists that were strictly squirting lists. I threw one together and have already made 5-6 sales. I know that's not much but for a site that's just sitting there, with very little input on my part, I'll take it. And when traffic builds it can only get better. I have the #1 spot in Google for a popular squirt phrase and #3 and #6 for two others so that will help. What this boils down to is that I'll be getting more and more away from building free sites and building more niche specific link lists. Not overworked niches like amateur, lesbian, etc. but some niches that aren't hit as hard. Thanks MML!

T Pat · 2007-10-05, 01:54 PM

I'm going to miss OTB tomorrow, someone take notes for me

virgohippy · 2007-10-06, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T Pat

I'm going to miss OTB tomorrow, someone take notes for me

Hit me up and I'll hook you up. I'll need a reminder or else I'll forget.

Licker4U · 2007-10-06, 02:23 PM

LOL I usually remember OTB about the time it's over. I'm watching the clock now. Anyone know what the topic is? Besides getting high

and shipping some oysters to MML?

virgohippy · 2007-10-06, 02:34 PM

Today's OTB thread:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=43136

Quote:

Todays Topic Is! Move It Forward!

MML must be giving us a hint.

tigermom · 2007-10-07, 02:04 AM

I am trying to do both, and other projects as well... Life tends to get in the way too lol, kids and family and all that

So far, no huge successes to report, either with FS or with AVS. I make money, but I want to push it much higher. Still, it took me several years to make my mainstream business as profitable as it is today, I expect the same with adult

koalaTalex · 2007-10-07, 11:29 AM

We have been submitting galleries since the beginning and free sites were the next step with us. It took as a LONG time to get free sites making money but now that we have been doing it consistently for over a year the sales are becoming somewhat steady (you know as steady as porn can be

)

Most free site sales come from the index & main pages where we put a lot of time into sales text. The galleries have been our weak point but using those templates with different content for gallery submits helps that to be profitable.

Now we are so busy with our mainstream endeavours that are going to put everything into our free sites, aim for 7 a week and see how it goes.

I guess AVS will be the next step

2007-10-01, 06:39 PM	#2
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I re-evaluated my work hours/money flow a few months back; I made a similar decision about freesites as you. I plan to build more freesites again, eventually. Though, probably not the same way, nor for the same reasons, as when I first started. I second the value of MML's weekly OTB. __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2007-10-02, 12:42 AM	#4
JustRobert Bow Ties Are Cool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Posts: 9,653	I third the value of MML's almost weekly OTB. Man does deserve a vacation now and again Sheepguy, I still feel like a newbie too and its been 6 yrs today for my first gallery submission. Luscious, to quote something MML stated a few weeks back. "Every page is an opportunity to sell." Freesites for the most part give the most ad space with their structure than any other free traffic source of quality and quantity. But they are very structured and can be stifling for some. This is just my opinion, freesites do not give away too much porn the webmaster does. Many have forgotten the art of tease or making the surfer want more. No build up what so ever, just money shots Can you sell hardcore with just softcore pics? Yes you can. Most LL, TGP, etc have unfortunately made it much much harder than it once was. So do it on your hubs and whatever else you can come up with. __________________ Submit Your Galleries To The Erotic To Naughty Network!

2007-10-05, 01:54 PM	#7
T Pat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Paridise Posts: 3,244	I'm going to miss OTB tomorrow, someone take notes for me __________________ How To Keep An Asshole In Suspense I'll Tell You Later

2007-10-06, 02:23 PM	#9
Licker4U Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 2,377	LOL I usually remember OTB about the time it's over. I'm watching the clock now. Anyone know what the topic is? Besides getting high and shipping some oysters to MML? __________________ Submit to Girls That Squirt , Hairy Pussy Links and Best Wet Pussy

2007-10-07, 02:04 AM	#11
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	I am trying to do both, and other projects as well... Life tends to get in the way too lol, kids and family and all that So far, no huge successes to report, either with FS or with AVS. I make money, but I want to push it much higher. Still, it took me several years to make my mainstream business as profitable as it is today, I expect the same with adult __________________ XLEF

2007-10-01, 03:06 AM	#1
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Free site, AVS stuff Bah, I spent a few hours this weekend looking at where my money comes from and how many hours it took me to earn it and I reached a couple of conclusions I had been leaning towards for a while. OTB gave me the idea to dig deeper, and it's good shit like that that keeps me showing up every Saturday Freesites don't convert well for me, maybe my sales approach sucks on them, maybe I give too much away, I'm not sure. Reviewers like 'em, but they don't convert as well as I think they should. Maybe I'm stifled by the rules, but I know I don't have as much fun building them as I do building other stuff. That likely has something to do with it as well. When I build and promote an AVS site properly I'm damn near guaranteed a sale in the first couple of days, and more coming through the months and years. Sites that take me 30 minutes to build make me more money than freesites that take me 90 minutes. So I'll build accordingly. Free sites send quantity traffic to my LL and my solo girl site, both of which make decent money for me, but I have no clue how productive that traffic is compared to the traffic coming from AVS sites, I suspect free site traffic is less so. I'll keep building free sites, but less than before, spending more time on AVS. Just my experience as to what is working for me, and I no longer preach the AVS gospel, because it is not for everyone, but as more and more LL's start listing them I see them as a big part of my future plans. And I'm not saying free sites suck as a business model, just that after a year of building them, they don't work so well for me. I'm going to spend a bit of time and money on galleries as well, I haven't really given them a fair shot. 10 years in the biz and I'm still a newbie __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-10-01, 10:35 PM	#3
LD wtfwjd? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,103	Do you think people browse freesites and get what they need for free, then move on? I'm getting an awful lot of hits on my gallery pages, but sales are few and far between. Makes me wonder.... __________________ Artisteer Wordpress Theme Generator Create Custom Themes! My Little Network

2007-10-02, 09:48 AM	#6
Licker4U Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 2,377	I also owe MML a big THANK YOU for a comment on OTB a while back. He said not to overlook niche specific link lists when submitting free sites. Since I build a lot of squirting sites I looked around and couldn't find any link lists that were strictly squirting lists. I threw one together and have already made 5-6 sales. I know that's not much but for a site that's just sitting there, with very little input on my part, I'll take it. And when traffic builds it can only get better. I have the #1 spot in Google for a popular squirt phrase and #3 and #6 for two others so that will help. What this boils down to is that I'll be getting more and more away from building free sites and building more niche specific link lists. Not overworked niches like amateur, lesbian, etc. but some niches that aren't hit as hard. Thanks MML! __________________ Submit to Girls That Squirt , Hairy Pussy Links and Best Wet Pussy

2007-10-07, 11:29 AM	#12
koalaTalex A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 51	We have been submitting galleries since the beginning and free sites were the next step with us. It took as a LONG time to get free sites making money but now that we have been doing it consistently for over a year the sales are becoming somewhat steady (you know as steady as porn can be) Most free site sales come from the index & main pages where we put a lot of time into sales text. The galleries have been our weak point but using those templates with different content for gallery submits helps that to be profitable. Now we are so busy with our mainstream endeavours that are going to put everything into our free sites, aim for 7 a week and see how it goes. I guess AVS will be the next step