partnership with established company

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.

I pretty much thought I was immune to naked girls on the net until Raven Riley, Teela had the same effect on me, it must be the innocent look they both have, I just know it makes me feel like a perverted old man to look at their pictures, yet I want to look. Sabby van Whats-her-name is just another naked girl.

I find it odd that you make your living as an Affiliate Webmaster but wouldn’t bother with Affiliates if you had a new pay site, are there many super successful sites with no Affiliates?

Originally Posted by walrus

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.

I learned that Teela has a mentor so she should be ok, I would hate to see anyone make as many fuckups as I did when starting out (off the top of my head examples below)
I bought a domain name with Tijuana misspelled
I used a hosting company that sucked
I paid about three times more than I needed to for a shitty camera
I bought guaranteed traffic (millions of hits from Chinese Surfers = 0 sales)
I paid for SE optimization and submissions
After all that I decided the reason I still hadn’t made a sale was because I had a shitty design so I paid a mainstream guy to redesign my adult site.
Made a few sales, then the billing company I was using went out of business

Things slowly turned around when I found GGandJ and decided it was going to be the only place I got advice from, Surfin and Mr.MarryLou kind of took me under their wings and it finale sunk in, I got the cart ahead of the horse, I would have been way ahead of the game if I had learned webmaster basics like HTML and traffic generation first. Being to pig headed to give up I kept on keeping on. Looking back on my experience I would have made more money if I had found an established program to take me under their umbrella while I learned what the hell I was doing.

Originally Posted by Fonz

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats

I’ve been using Verotel for years get paid every Monday, I like their stats more than CCBills and have never set up an affiliate program with them because most webmasters don’t like them and I don’t know why.

I transferred my site to a girl in Mexico when 2257 came down and then decided I had over reacted and transferred it back to me, so I’m sure Verotel doesn’t have a problem with Canadians but like I said the majority of webmasters don’t seem to care for them.