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RawAlex · 2005-09-18, 12:35 PM

Ecchi, let me give you a "real world" example of IP blocking.

Let's say you run a restaurant, and you deliver. There is a certain apartment building in your neighborhood that has, hmmm, 255 apartments. Over a year, you make about 100 deliveries, and about 75 of them turn out to be fake, or people rob the driver, or people try to steal the driver's car, or they call 100 times per day to order food but never answer the door.

Would it not be reasonable to say "I don't deliver to that building anymore"?

YES, I know... keep a long list of individual apartments that caused trouble. Every time someone calls, go through that long list and look to see if that apartment has given you trouble before. Make sure that the current resident isn't someone who moved to another floor... then you might find the ONE GOOD CUSTOMER in a building full of theives and liars.

Nope. Ban the building, move on.

In our buisness, it's the same thing. We ban IPs, we ban hosts, and we ban domains. - often banning all domains from the same owner even if they have never submitted to us. Why? Because our time is worth something, and it isn't worth our effort to try to find the one good submitter in a pile of liars, autosubmitters, and theives.

We are not doing this randomly. This is experience in action.

Alex

Linkster · 2005-09-18, 01:21 PM

I rarely ban by IP - its usually by host - and there are quite a few hosts banned (there's been loads of threads here about it) and if someone wants to host their domain on a host that seems to not only house cheaters, but offers ways around the LL bots checking things like whois and nameservers - then they are auto banned as well.

One thing I learned a long time ago - in this biz its a real good idea to research before you do anything - from running a LL to submitting free sites. I get submitters who I know from experience and from listings at other LLs that are good free site builders and probably never even changed a page after it was listed etc. BUT - they still dont take the time to read my rules - or they use one of the "hand-submit" programs that just loads the submit form without the rules - and they miss the fact that I have very specific requirements about who can submit - and I guarantee you I have no intention of cheating anyone - my rules - if they dont want to take the time to read them Ill be damned if Im going to take the time to chase them down and give them a clue - but I guess thats cause Im a very old man and dont have the time to play mr nice guy anymore.

If someone contacts me through this board which is exactly what I say in my rules, I can only think of one case where I refused a partner account - and I dont charge for them - just dont have time for the gallery4589.html's that show up in batches of 200 at a time. Makes my submitters happier as they get better treatment and placements and therefore better traffic which is my goal.

ecchi · 2005-09-18, 01:55 PM

RE: "that IS her in your avatar isn't it? I recognise the Dalek, anyway" Yes, it is her. And, yes, I do remember her first time round.

RE: "But I feel you're not going to happy unless I agree with you" Oh grow up.

RE: "Ecchi, let me give you a "real world" example of IP blocking." I agree with your example, but my point is if you take payment in advance from the other 25% and don't deliver they are going to shout all around town that you are a crook. In the LL/tgp business, if you expect all submitters to put a recip on their free site or gallery before you post the link (which is the way this business works), you are asking for payment in advance, so do not be surprised when those you banned for being in a "bad neighbourhood" put it around that you are a cheater, even though cheating people was not your intention.

RE: "If someone contacts me through this board which is exactly what I say in my rules" Hmm. I have a newbie WM site and often get asked the same questions, so have "form" emails that just get cut and pasted and sent out to some queries. The things I recommend include reading this board, and one of the sites I recommend to submit to is Tommy's. I have had three emails so far saying effectively "how can I recommend Tommy when he is obviously just trying to scam some money out of me ?" Two cited this thread as "proof": http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=21431 and one cited this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=22773 So it is probably not a good idea to get people to post in an open forum, as everyone sees what they want to see in a thread.

2005-09-18, 01:21 PM	#2
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	I rarely ban by IP - its usually by host - and there are quite a few hosts banned (there's been loads of threads here about it) and if someone wants to host their domain on a host that seems to not only house cheaters, but offers ways around the LL bots checking things like whois and nameservers - then they are auto banned as well. One thing I learned a long time ago - in this biz its a real good idea to research before you do anything - from running a LL to submitting free sites. I get submitters who I know from experience and from listings at other LLs that are good free site builders and probably never even changed a page after it was listed etc. BUT - they still dont take the time to read my rules - or they use one of the "hand-submit" programs that just loads the submit form without the rules - and they miss the fact that I have very specific requirements about who can submit - and I guarantee you I have no intention of cheating anyone - my rules - if they dont want to take the time to read them Ill be damned if Im going to take the time to chase them down and give them a clue - but I guess thats cause Im a very old man and dont have the time to play mr nice guy anymore. If someone contacts me through this board which is exactly what I say in my rules, I can only think of one case where I refused a partner account - and I dont charge for them - just dont have time for the gallery4589.html's that show up in batches of 200 at a time. Makes my submitters happier as they get better treatment and placements and therefore better traffic which is my goal. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

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2005-09-18, 12:35 PM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Ecchi, let me give you a "real world" example of IP blocking. Let's say you run a restaurant, and you deliver. There is a certain apartment building in your neighborhood that has, hmmm, 255 apartments. Over a year, you make about 100 deliveries, and about 75 of them turn out to be fake, or people rob the driver, or people try to steal the driver's car, or they call 100 times per day to order food but never answer the door. Would it not be reasonable to say "I don't deliver to that building anymore"? YES, I know... keep a long list of individual apartments that caused trouble. Every time someone calls, go through that long list and look to see if that apartment has given you trouble before. Make sure that the current resident isn't someone who moved to another floor... then you might find the ONE GOOD CUSTOMER in a building full of theives and liars. Nope. Ban the building, move on. In our buisness, it's the same thing. We ban IPs, we ban hosts, and we ban domains. - often banning all domains from the same owner even if they have never submitted to us. Why? Because our time is worth something, and it isn't worth our effort to try to find the one good submitter in a pile of liars, autosubmitters, and theives. We are not doing this randomly. This is experience in action. Alex

2005-09-18, 01:55 PM	#3
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	RE: "that IS her in your avatar isn't it? I recognise the Dalek, anyway" Yes, it is her. And, yes, I do remember her first time round. RE: "But I feel you're not going to happy unless I agree with you" Oh grow up. RE: "Ecchi, let me give you a "real world" example of IP blocking." I agree with your example, but my point is if you take payment in advance from the other 25% and don't deliver they are going to shout all around town that you are a crook. In the LL/tgp business, if you expect all submitters to put a recip on their free site or gallery before you post the link (which is the way this business works), you are asking for payment in advance, so do not be surprised when those you banned for being in a "bad neighbourhood" put it around that you are a cheater, even though cheating people was not your intention. RE: "If someone contacts me through this board which is exactly what I say in my rules" Hmm. I have a newbie WM site and often get asked the same questions, so have "form" emails that just get cut and pasted and sent out to some queries. The things I recommend include reading this board, and one of the sites I recommend to submit to is Tommy's. I have had three emails so far saying effectively "how can I recommend Tommy when he is obviously just trying to scam some money out of me ?" Two cited this thread as "proof": http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=21431 and one cited this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=22773 So it is probably not a good idea to get people to post in an open forum, as everyone sees what they want to see in a thread.