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[ecchi]

Originally Posted by papagmp

I lived in Europe for almost half my life and there are thousands of treaties, policies and laws that lump Europe into one basket. Just like there are thousands that lump The Americas into one basket. Pull your head out of your ass and smell the flowers dipshit.

Where in Europe did you live? Was it a small dark cellar with no contact with the outside world except a TV that only showed a right wing propaganda channel? There is a lot of anti-EU feeling across most (probably all) member countries, and the more right wing of these (e.g. the "England for the English - keep the foreign johnnies out" brigade) put out a lot of false propaganda, for example "Europe is going to ban the traditional British sausage", but basically these are lies pumped about for political reasons. I guess when in Europe you spent too much time with the conspiracy theorists.

In your previous post you say There are policies the lump all of the European countries into one basket - EU and non-EU" There is NOT A SINGLE LAW THAT COVERS BOTH EU AND NON EU COUNTRIES except where the law a blindingly obvious one (e.g. it is probably illegal to murder someone in all European countries).

WRT the EU alone (which is less than half of Europe): As I said in my previous post, there are a few laws common to all countries, but these are all either health and safety (such as minimum standards for baby seats) or to do with trade between other EU members (for example one member country cannot stop the import of legal goods from another member country). But these are mostly minor things and have no effect on non-European countries. They defiantly have no impact on the matters this thread is about.

However with regard to your views on European porn laws: I am guessing your time in Europe was in the mid 1990s or earlier when porn laws were a lot stronger than they are now (a hell of a lot stronger in Britain), things have changed in the past 15 years.

When you say "Your English-speaking countries are actually parts of the United Kingdom, which is ONE government and which will have one set of laws." YES that was the entire point of my first post!!!

In answer to "How many nude beaches do you guys have in the UK?", quite a few (I have twice ended up walking the dog on a nudist beach without realising it because they weren't fenced off from the rest of the beach and I missed the warning notices). However since you are unlikely to get arrested for sunbathing naked on any beach, there is not as much call for them as there is elsewhere (British law on nudity is a little weird in that it is only illegal if someone objects, if no one objects to you sunbathing naked, the police are powerless to act).

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Where in Europe did you live? Was it a small dark cellar with no contact with the outside world except a TV that only showed a right wing propaganda channel? There is a lot of anti-EU feeling across most (probably all) member countries, and the more right wing of these (e.g. the "England for the English - keep the foreign johnnies out" brigade) put out a lot of false propaganda, for example "Europe is going to ban the traditional British sausage", but basically these are lies pumped about for political reasons. I guess when in Europe you spent too much time with the conspiracy theorists.

In your previous post you say There are policies the lump all of the European countries into one basket - EU and non-EU" There is NOT A SINGLE LAW THAT COVERS BOTH EU AND NON EU COUNTRIES except where the law a blindingly obvious one (e.g. it is probably illegal to murder someone in all European countries).

WRT the EU alone (which is less than half of Europe): As I said in my previous post, there are a few laws common to all countries, but these are all either health and safety (such as minimum standards for baby seats) or to do with trade between other EU members (for example one member country cannot stop the import of legal goods from another member country). But these are mostly minor things and have no effect on non-European countries. They defiantly have no impact on the matters this thread is about.

However with regard to your views on European porn laws: I am guessing your time in Europe was in the mid 1990s or earlier when porn laws were a lot stronger than they are now (a hell of a lot stronger in Britain), things have changed in the past 15 years.

When you say "Your English-speaking countries are actually parts of the United Kingdom, which is ONE government and which will have one set of laws." YES that was the entire point of my first post!!!

In answer to "How many nude beaches do you guys have in the UK?", quite a few (I have twice ended up walking the dog on a nudist beach without realising it because they weren't fenced off from the rest of the beach and I missed the warning notices). However since you are unlikely to get arrested for sunbathing naked on any beach, there is not as much call for them as there is elsewhere (British law on nudity is a little weird in that it is only illegal if someone objects, if no one objects to you sunbathing naked, the police are powerless to act).

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So - you're telling me that the United Kingdom has no treaties or trade agreements with any other European countries?

Your a fucking idiot.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by papagmp

So - you're telling me that the United Kingdom has no treaties or trade agreements with any other European countries?

For God's sake read the fucking post before commenting on it.

I am happy to debate things with people who disagree with me, but it is a bit bloody pointless if you are too thick to understand what I am saying.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Where in Europe did you live? Was it a small dark cellar with no contact with the outside world except a TV that only showed a right wing propaganda channel?

Fuck you.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by papagmp

Fuck you.

You know that is what I like about this board, the way some members can post such intelligent and erudite comments to back up their arguments.

[MadCat]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Where in Europe did you live? Was it a small dark cellar with no contact with the outside world except a TV that only showed a right wing propaganda channel? There is a lot of anti-EU feeling across most (probably all) member countries,

Considering I'm Dutch, I'm pretty qualified to speak on this kind of stuff and you are wrong. The anti-EU feeling exists mostly in England and Denmark. The rest of the EU member nations had issues with a European Constitution.

and the more right wing of these (e.g. the "England for the English - keep the foreign johnnies out" brigade) put out a lot of false propaganda, for example "Europe is going to ban the traditional British sausage", but basically these are lies pumped about for political reasons. I guess when in Europe you spent too much time with the conspiracy theorists.

And this propaganda is effective, how? Why would they need propaganda if there's a big anti-EU feeling anyway? Doesn't the need for anti-EU propaganda sort of defeat that earlier statement of yours saying there's anti-EU feelings in most member states?

In your previous post you say There are policies the lump all of the European countries into one basket - EU and non-EU" There is NOT A SINGLE LAW THAT COVERS BOTH EU AND NON EU COUNTRIES except where the law a blindingly obvious one (e.g. it is probably illegal to murder someone in all European countries).

You're wrong there I'm afraid, there are in fact laws that govern even non-European Union countries as well as EU member states. There's a reason if you speed in, say, the UK, you will get your ticket delivered
at home eventually.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by MadCat

The anti-EU feeling exists mostly in England and Denmark. The rest of the EU member nations had issues with a European Constitution.

I can't speak for all Europe (which is why I said "probably" and not "definitely", but it is not just England and Denmark, there is a lot of anti EU feeling in ROI, France, and Spain for certain, and I think also in Italy (although I only have one person's word for Italy). There even anti EU feeling in some countries who are still waiting to join!

Originally Posted by MadCat

And this propaganda is effective, how? Why would they need propaganda if there's a big anti-EU feeling anyway? Doesn't the need for anti-EU propaganda sort of defeat that earlier statement of yours saying there's anti-EU feelings in most member states?

I never said it was effective or that there was a need for it, just that it existed. You cannot argue that because something is pointless it does not exist.

If you re-read my post I kind of made the point that most of the spreaders of this kind of stuff are the more right wing groups, you know, the sort of people who will argue violently that black people are inferior to white people. These people are not known for sensible propaganda with a valid point. Unfortunately many newspapers see these as good stories and publish them as true even when they know they are not. Troll through the online archives of some of tabloid type newspapers from the countries I mentioned above to see the sort of things I mean.

Originally Posted by MadCat

You're wrong there I'm afraid, there are in fact laws that govern even non-European Union countries as well as EU member states.

Name one law that all European countries co-operate on. They cannot even all agree to extradite murderers and paedophiles to the country they committed the crime in. You mention the speeding fine, exactly which non EU countries will arrest one of it's own citizens for speeding in Britain? I don't even know a EU country that will do this.