Promote AVS sites

komputor · 2004-10-17, 04:20 AM

I was wondering if tgp or mgp sites hate galleries promoting AVS sites??? I am about to start doing movie galleries, did a bit of research and was wondering....how much off a differences in amount of traffic can u get doing a 3vid gallery 1MB each vs a 6vid gallery 500kb each? Is neither one more preferable?? With 3vid u get quality over quatity, with 6vids u get quatity over quality personally which would u prefer?? is 500kb a vid acceptable or 700kb would be better?? I also noticed that there are BIG MGP sites...sites that only list vid galleries with big movie clips. Are those kinda site running with about the same amount of traffic as the normal mgp sites??

baddog · 2004-10-17, 06:09 AM

I have never heard of a TGP of MGP that refused a gallery simply because it was promoting an AVS site . . . it is done all the time . . . and sites like Shemp, Richards-Realm, PersianKitty, thehun all accept galleries promoting AVS sites

GunnCat · 2004-10-17, 08:35 AM

We don't accept AVS sites on our TGP.

Stouch · 2004-10-17, 12:54 PM

Some sites dont like you promoting free AVS' (lolitampegs springs to mind).

Of the two movie formats I think 3 x 1mb may be more beneficial.

Dagwolf · 2004-10-18, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
We don't accept AVS sites on our TGP.

But do you accept GALLERIES which advertise AVS sites?

GunnCat · 2004-10-18, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
But do you accept GALLERIES which advertise AVS sites?

No, we don't accept AVS promotion.

Dagwolf · 2004-10-18, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by GunnCat
No, we don't accept AVS promotion.

What's the point of that? What do you gain?...

GunnCat · 2004-10-19, 12:16 AM

I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

Mishi · 2004-10-19, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

That's an interesting point of view. Care to elaborate? Are you referring to owners of AVS systems, or of individual AVS sites? (I've found the two are often used interchangeably.)

BlueQuartz · 2004-10-19, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

lol enjoying that crack tonight are we lol

Dagwolf · 2004-10-19, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

I'd say most gallery builders have rudimentary skills, from what I've seen. ;p

GunnCat · 2004-10-19, 11:36 AM

When I think of AVS, I think of Adultbouncer/Deluxepass. I know there are other AVS systems that support the small pornographer.
I choose my sponsors based on different variables. The largest variable is content. AB/DP content is all major studio content given to a number of webmasters by the owner of the AVS to promote the AVS. This is corporate sytle porn, and I don't like it. I think it's dangerous for the small pornographer who pays to create content. I think it's bad for the adult business overall. It's like setting up MacDonalds on every crossroad of the internet. I won't help promote it.

BlueQuartz, your comment is ambiguous. Did you have a point or are you just trying to flame?

GunnCat · 2004-10-19, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Dagwolf
I'd say most gallery builders have rudimentary skills, from what I've seen. ;p

Dag, most of the galleries/free sites I see a pretty decent. Besides it's more complicated than my earlier statement about webdesign.

BlueQuartz · 2004-10-19, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
When I think of AVS, I think of Adultbouncer/Deluxepass. I know there are other AVS systems that support the small pornographer.
I choose my sponsors based on different variables. The largest variable is content. AB/DP content is all major studio content given to a number of webmasters by the owner of the AVS to promote the AVS. This is corporate sytle porn, and I don't like it. I think it's dangerous for the small pornographer who pays to create content. I think it's bad for the adult business overall. It's like setting up MacDonalds on every crossroad of the internet. I won't help promote it.

BlueQuartz, your comment is ambiguous. Did you have a point or are you just trying to flame?

ambigious? sorry let me clear it up

your comment about most avs builders only having rudimentary skills is, IMHO, complete and utter bullshit

hope any ambiguity has been removed

GunnCat · 2004-10-19, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by BlueQuartz
ambigious? sorry let me clear it up

your comment about most avs builders only having rudimentary skills is, IMHO, complete and utter bullshit

hope any ambiguity has been removed

I think GFY is missing one of it's assholes

GunnCat · 2004-10-19, 07:28 PM

Seriously though Blue, my attitude about AVS is more about the corporatization of the business than anything. I stated that in the last post. I have seen many sites that seem decent. It's a drag to see AVS making tons of money just passing out content and offering hosting when there are tons of content producers who make sites and offer a unique product only to have to compete againt the AVS model.

Dagwolf · 2004-10-19, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

Ok, well that comment irked me a little because
1. I have only rudimentary design and marketing skills;
2. I build AVS sites and
3. I like it here.

So I won't go away. But I won't bother submitting any galleries to your TGP. Which one is it?

GunnCat · 2004-10-20, 12:27 AM

Dag, it's not my intention to irk you however you asked a question. If you don't like the reply so be it. Some people, myself included spend thousands of dollars producing content, paying hosting fees, writing backends and designing sites, running sponsor programs, promoting sponors, making galleries and free hosted sites etc... I gave you the reasons I don't support AVS systems.
Don't worry about our TGP it's partner only so you it's not likely you would be submitting to it anyhow.

Dagwolf · 2004-10-20, 12:53 AM

Irked. Past tense.

I'm fine now.

GunnCat · 2004-10-20, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
Irked. Past tense.

I'm fine now.

Phew ok

venturi · 2004-10-20, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
Seriously though Blue, my attitude about AVS is more about the corporatization of the business than anything. I stated that in the last post. I have seen many sites that seem decent. It's a drag to see AVS making tons of money just passing out content and offering hosting when there are tons of content producers who make sites and offer a unique product only to have to compete againt the AVS model.

Huh?! Assuming (I have no choice here as you only provided two examples) you have no knowledge of AVS/AEN sites outside your limited scope of experiences, this is a topic you probably should stay out of.

Your thinking that people that build AVS sites are flatulent in the ability to design/code a decent HTML page is pretty bold, if not completely unfounded.

To pick nits... Your new affiliate proggy/site needs some serious work. It's in beta? Why? It isn't even close to complete. Your BizoPorn site's warning page is almost unreadable. While the "flower power" theme is nifty, there is no sell going on. There is no hard pitch, no closer. Basically, you're burning bandwidth IMO.

Now, AVS == Corporate Porn?
Umm, get a clue. Porn has been corporate for longer than you likely have been on the web. Doubt me? Ask Ron Levy and Serge and even GG. If you are an affiliate of ANY program you are in effect part of a corporate machine.

Let's get back to AVS though... It would seem to me, and you are free to clarify, that you really don't know squat about the AVS market. True, there are outfits that shove their own overused content at their affiliates and their networks suck ass (their 4th Qtr earnings likely will decry the same). However, there are dozens of good AVS/AEN systems out there that are seriously viable.
Perhaps you haven't investigated (sorry, I'm making assumptions because you have only thrown out unfounded derogatory rhetoric) just how lucrative the AVS scene can be if worked properly. AVS traffic is Targetted traffic. AVS surfers have already whipped out their CC once - that's a huge marketing advantage. AVS surfers generally know what they are looking for, another advantage as they are self targetting. Unless the interweb has drastically changed within the past 30 seconds, I believe that qualifies them as the #2 top traffic source on the planet just behind SearchEngine traffic.
As to AVS webmasters lacking HTML/design skills you would be best to do some research before spouting off. Yes, there are shit AVS sites - as there are shit Freesites and Galleries. In the same light, the sites of whatever category that make bank are those that are built to market their wares. If you think AVS sites are all shit I'll be happy to send you all my denied freesite submissions I review.

Bottom Line: If you know AVS you can make bank, serious bank. If you know Freesites you can make equal bank, and if you really know TGP you can make equal bank on galleries. Get off your high-horse.

kristian · 2004-10-20, 07:23 AM

I have a tiny penis, and her name is Mary.

MrMaryLou · 2004-10-20, 07:57 AM

Galleries promoting avs sites are fine but the problem is the way some promote them as in the free join type avs which would be an issue at some tgps as in misleading the surfer I know that is a big one on Richard Realm TGP

BlueQuartz · 2004-10-20, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by venturi
Huh?! Assuming (I have no choice here as you only provided two examples) you have no knowledge of AVS/AEN sites outside your limited scope of experiences, this is a topic you probably should stay out of.

Your thinking that people that build AVS sites are flatulent in the ability to design/code a decent HTML page is pretty bold, if not completely unfounded.

To pick nits... Your new affiliate proggy/site needs some serious work. It's in beta? Why? It isn't even close to complete. Your BizoPorn site's warning page is almost unreadable. While the "flower power" theme is nifty, there is no sell going on. There is no hard pitch, no closer. Basically, you're burning bandwidth IMO.

Now, AVS == Corporate Porn?
Umm, get a clue. Porn has been corporate for longer than you likely have been on the web. Doubt me? Ask Ron Levy and Serge and even GG. If you are an affiliate of ANY program you are in effect part of a corporate machine.

Let's get back to AVS though... It would seem to me, and you are free to clarify, that you really don't know squat about the AVS market. True, there are outfits that shove their own overused content at their affiliates and their networks suck ass (their 4th Qtr earnings likely will decry the same). However, there are dozens of good AVS/AEN systems out there that are seriously viable.
Perhaps you haven't investigated (sorry, I'm making assumptions because you have only thrown out unfounded derogatory rhetoric) just how lucrative the AVS scene can be if worked properly. AVS traffic is Targetted traffic. AVS surfers have already whipped out their CC once - that's a huge marketing advantage. AVS surfers generally know what they are looking for, another advantage as they are self targetting. Unless the interweb has drastically changed within the past 30 seconds, I believe that qualifies them as the #2 top traffic source on the planet just behind SearchEngine traffic.
As to AVS webmasters lacking HTML/design skills you would be best to do some research before spouting off. Yes, there are shit AVS sites - as there are shit Freesites and Galleries. In the same light, the sites of whatever category that make bank are those that are built to market their wares. If you think AVS sites are all shit I'll be happy to send you all my denied freesite submissions I review.

Bottom Line: If you know AVS you can make bank, serious bank. If you know Freesites you can make equal bank, and if you really know TGP you can make equal bank on galleries. Get off your high-horse.

excellent response venturi - we see what happenes when people start shooting their mouth off about things they clearly know NOTHING about

peace out

Useless · 2004-10-20, 03:45 PM

Holy kungpao pussy! I don't think I've ever seen Venturi write angry. Goodness. NOT to gang up on Gunncat, but I've got to agree with the venting Venturi. I don't see any difference in the level of talent between gallery/free site builders and that of AVS site builders. I'd bet you could find a great many AVS sites listed somewhere as a free site since, I'm told, many free site builders make copies of their sites to list them with AVS's. Personally, I'm blame George Bush.

2004-10-17, 04:20 AM	#1
komputor Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 27	Promote AVS sites I was wondering if tgp or mgp sites hate galleries promoting AVS sites??? I am about to start doing movie galleries, did a bit of research and was wondering....how much off a differences in amount of traffic can u get doing a 3vid gallery 1MB each vs a 6vid gallery 500kb each? Is neither one more preferable?? With 3vid u get quality over quatity, with 6vids u get quatity over quality personally which would u prefer?? is 500kb a vid acceptable or 700kb would be better?? I also noticed that there are BIG MGP sites...sites that only list vid galleries with big movie clips. Are those kinda site running with about the same amount of traffic as the normal mgp sites??

2004-10-17, 12:54 PM	#4
Stouch Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 130	Some sites dont like you promoting free AVS' (lolitampegs springs to mind). Of the two movie formats I think 3 x 1mb may be more beneficial. __________________ Nowt here

2004-10-20, 12:27 AM	#18
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	Dag, it's not my intention to irk you however you asked a question. If you don't like the reply so be it. Some people, myself included spend thousands of dollars producing content, paying hosting fees, writing backends and designing sites, running sponsor programs, promoting sponors, making galleries and free hosted sites etc... I gave you the reasons I don't support AVS systems. Don't worry about our TGP it's partner only so you it's not likely you would be submitting to it anyhow. Last edited by GunnCat; 2004-10-20 at 12:32 AM..

2004-10-20, 12:53 AM	#19
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2004-10-20, 07:23 AM	#22
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	I have a tiny penis, and her name is Mary. __________________ Promote Dating \| Popular Post : Get Free Dating Traffic - 5 Tips

2004-10-17, 06:09 AM	#2
baddog Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Beach, So Cal Posts: 196	I have never heard of a TGP of MGP that refused a gallery simply because it was promoting an AVS site . . . it is done all the time . . . and sites like Shemp, Richards-Realm, PersianKitty, thehun all accept galleries promoting AVS sites __________________

2004-10-17, 08:35 AM	#3
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	We don't accept AVS sites on our TGP.

2004-10-19, 12:16 AM	#8
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

2004-10-19, 11:36 AM	#12
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	When I think of AVS, I think of Adultbouncer/Deluxepass. I know there are other AVS systems that support the small pornographer. I choose my sponsors based on different variables. The largest variable is content. AB/DP content is all major studio content given to a number of webmasters by the owner of the AVS to promote the AVS. This is corporate sytle porn, and I don't like it. I think it's dangerous for the small pornographer who pays to create content. I think it's bad for the adult business overall. It's like setting up MacDonalds on every crossroad of the internet. I won't help promote it. BlueQuartz, your comment is ambiguous. Did you have a point or are you just trying to flame?

2004-10-19, 07:28 PM	#16
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	Seriously though Blue, my attitude about AVS is more about the corporatization of the business than anything. I stated that in the last post. I have seen many sites that seem decent. It's a drag to see AVS making tons of money just passing out content and offering hosting when there are tons of content producers who make sites and offer a unique product only to have to compete againt the AVS model.

2004-10-20, 07:57 AM	#23
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	Galleries promoting avs sites are fine but the problem is the way some promote them as in the free join type avs which would be an issue at some tgps as in misleading the surfer I know that is a big one on Richard Realm TGP __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2004-10-20, 03:45 PM	#25
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Holy kungpao pussy! I don't think I've ever seen Venturi write angry. Goodness. NOT to gang up on Gunncat, but I've got to agree with the venting Venturi. I don't see any difference in the level of talent between gallery/free site builders and that of AVS site builders. I'd bet you could find a great many AVS sites listed somewhere as a free site since, I'm told, many free site builders make copies of their sites to list them with AVS's. Personally, I'm blame George Bush. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

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