Free advertising for paysite owners :)

[john0pr0n0]

Haha, this is some realy fucking funny shit.

One guy makes a comment, then 20 fuckwits come in after and make some more.

You dont even know what i am talking about here.

But hey - Please keep the comments coming - Its an invaluable reference for anyone wanting to know who not to do business with.

Post your name up with your witty comment, show everyone how smart you are!

[john0pr0n0]

That just goes to show too how dimwitted some of you people here are.

I mentioned the word kazaa - now its the only thing we are talking about.

keep em coming fellas - i find this quite amusing that small minded people band together like this!

[urb]

Sounds like an expensive way to get sales to me.

I'm not saying you won't get sales, but I am wondering what kind of ratio is involved.

The closest example in my experience would be niche Yahoo Groups, that send a lot of traffic, but hardly ever show up as the referrer for a sale.

And if the sale is made from a type in direct request, not a referring link, then how would you measure productivity?

[john0pr0n0]

Thats a fair comment urb, at least your thinking now!

What i think this is best for, is long term self generating advertising.

A dedicated 100mbit box - 1000GB / month will cost you around 150USD.

Lets say your sample clips are 1MB - thats 1 million clips you can pump out in one month.

Do that for 6 months - Approx cost: 900USD

900 USD..

Now after that - this is the idea - please try to actualy read all of this - not the parts you want to -

PEOPLE WILL BE PASSING YOUR CONTENT AROUND FOR YOU. IT WILL COST NOTHING - YOU WILL PAY NO AFFILL FEE'S - AND YOU WILL HAVE A RECURRING FORM OF SELF RELIANT ADVERTISING.

Cant anyone understand this? Did i step into twilight zone or something?

Not only this - what kinda conversion rate do we need to make our money back. Lets say for arguments sake - those 6 million clips over the 6 months were giving out to individual people - all 6 mil.

What are you charging for your site? Lets say 30 bucks USD

So thats what 30 sales? Who is giong to tell me, you cant pull a conversion rate of 30/6000000 ? If you cant you shouldnt be running a paysite in the first place.

And last but not least - even if you dont pull those 30 sales - your giong to have people passing around, sharing and talking about your content for free, automaticly - which will generate more sales over time.

Now if no one here can see the benefit in that, im talking to a brick walk, and ill leave it now, its not worth my time to explain a SIMPLE marketing strategy...

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
You mentioned you used this type of idea with newsgroups back in 1997 - What were your results m8?

My reply was more of a shot that this concept is at least 8 years old (probably 10)

There's enough free porn on the internet on pages that have actual ads that people click on as opposed to just paying for bandwidth to give out free movies in the hope that someone will type in your URL.

[Kezza]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
And yea i understand about the yahoo email.

But fuck i run 3 different business's - im not giong to hand out my real emails to be harvested for mailing lists. I already have a couple of others getting about 30 spam mails a day.

Anyways whatever, give it time guys. Looks like everyone is sheep, so i guess you need someone to follow.

I read it all and too it in... you silly dill!




















Does this one count to my posts?

[john0pr0n0]

Oh by no means is this a new idea. Well i have a few that would intermingle with these, but i do not wish to go into details about that.

Oh well thanks for everyones "advice"

|afro|

[urb]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Oh well thanks for everyones "advice"

I'm open minded to most methods of making sales... I'm also open minded to other people's advice.

[john0pr0n0]

I love getting feedback on my idea's - Please dont get me wrong urb.

What i dont like are these warez kiddies running around on these boards, making 2 line comments about things they cant even comprehend, or have any idea what i am actualy talking about.

I would like to see people act like this way within say the sales and marketing industry - they wouldnt last a day, or any other industry for that matter.

But here in porn land - it seems to be the norm - put other people down - make yourself feel better, slander is the way of the day.

If you have constructive feedback - ill read it all happily. Please dont get me wrong - But im sure alot of you know what im talking about - And im sure many of you feel the same way.

I provided a very small amount of information on what i wanted to do - someone picked up on the word KAZAA - and that was it, thats all we were talking about... post after post about kazaa and giving content away like that.....

[Useless]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0

But here in porn land - it seems to be the norm - put other people down - make yourself feel better, slander is the way of the day.

For example:

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Good one m8, your post count is +1 - you must know what your talking about to have time to post shit like that.

AND

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Haha, small brained people.
AND
I give up.. keep the thread giong tho, yall can increase your post counts by 1 or 2 !!!

AND

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Anyways whatever, give it time guys. Looks like everyone is sheep, so i guess you need someone to follow.

AND

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
One guy makes a comment, then 20 fuckwits come in after and make some more.
AND
You dont even know what i am talking about here.

AND

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
That just goes to show too how dimwitted some of you people here are.
... i find this quite amusing that small minded people band together like this!

AND

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
What i dont like are these warez kiddies running around on these boards, making 2 line comments about things they cant even comprehend, or have any idea what i am actualy talking about.

Why don't you make the following statement and get this thread over with?
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a small-minded sheep with an inability to comprehend my obvious marketing genius and is only posting to beef up their post count."

Moo. Thanks.

[Porn Meister]

People should always watermark their content in every case where it's permitted.

On another note, if I had some marketing idea that I personally believed in and had data to back my presentation, I'd approach some sponsors myself. Some may be willing to test drive it on a small scale.

|goodnight

[[BV]]

so i missed it or you didn't say, where does your traffic come from?

anyone here can share videos p2p, we've done it
anyone here can post to newsgroups, done that as well

more details please

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by [BV]
...where does your traffic come from?...

My bet is that it's a TGP looking thing that links directly to the movies...and of course had ads on it

[Mateusz]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Not only this - what kinda conversion rate do we need to make our money back. Lets say for arguments sake - those 6 million clips over the 6 months were giving out to individual people - all 6 mil.

What are you charging for your site? Lets say 30 bucks USD

So thats what 30 sales? Who is giong to tell me, you cant pull a conversion rate of 30/6000000 ? If you cant you shouldnt be running a paysite in the first place.

Well... there is an issue... I bet less than 1 of 1000 viewers will actually hit the site they see on watermark (and most viewers will watch at lest 4 videos so you have to count your BW this way) - if you have ever been listed at any TGP like hun or worldsex you already noticed 70k+ hits to your gallery but CTR to sponsor is less than 1% (and we are talknig about banners not movie watermark they have to type in!) and as you are so fucking marketing guru and I strongly belive you also differ hits from sales - with TGP traffic I doubt if it would be less than 1:1500
So... as I count properly..
4mb per user (assuming 1mb per movie clip) * 1000 (assuming 1/1000 will type in) * 1500 (assuming sale ratio 1:1500) makes... uhm... 6000GB per sale?
I don't mind new ideas but I don't really get why are you so rude if anyone disagree...

[john0pr0n0]

Yea well look this is kinda my fault then.

My business is idea's - And when i post something like this i try to be careful not to give my whole idea away. Simple good business.

Its not simply me hot linking to your videos on my sites.

It would be a mix of new ways of showing your content to potential customers.

A few examples (not im not giving everything away k thx)

All the File sharing networks - kazaa, limewire, bit torrents, IRC, FTP, Newsgroups ect ect- Here your not giong to pull a good conversion rate. Here what your giong to get is file sharers, who will store your files and pass them around for you for free.

Free sites - These would be places on some free sites, allowing people to directly download them.

DVD'S- You didnt think of this did you? I have deals with some Adult media distrubuters here in Australia - How about an interactive demo of your website, provided with some simple yet effective information about your website? A permanent advertisment for your site sitting in someone's house.

Streaming media - Anyone noticed that people are posting streaming content like things from shooshtime.com ? Setup your video on a site like this, and people will post it up for you, again bringing recurring and free traffic. A half or quarter page blurb on how good your site is should work great, the user has a high chance of reading it while he is waiting for the video to load.

Im sorry if i seem rude and arrogant ( useless warrior is trying to push that point i think ) - But fuck, every time i get on these fucking boards, i have to defend myself like this. Im not giong to come here and post my idea's step by step am i, i simply put up some quick information on what i wanted to do, and was willing to discuss my idea's and plans in detail with anyone who was interested in finding new ways to market thier site.

Its a shame these boards cant be more about creating and developing new idea's - rather then about putting opther people's idea's and people jumping on the bandwagon. Im not even talking about me here, i see it all the time, some poor bastard has put alot of work into some idea, then some little kid comes along and bad mouth's it.

Im always very open to suggestions and comments, but this is just rubbish. Some people here have provided some great insight into what i want to do, and how it may work or not work, but sadly alot of people have just jumped on the flaming bandwagon. We all know it happens, lets not even debate that.

To everyone who posted up something inteligent and worthwhile, thanks, its much appreciated. To the people who are just running around making snide comments to anyone they can.. Keep it up guys, if it makes you feel better about your own business, i guess thats the main thing isnt it.

[john0pr0n0]

The reason i am being so rude here, is becuase EVERY FUCKING TIME someone comes up with a new idea, people bash it.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.

This indusutry.. ARGG - this kinda shit wont happen in the IT or other industry's, you would be out on your ass in a second.

But here, its the way of the day! Flame flame flame! Your idea is shit, your shit, dont try, blah blah blah.

Sorry, i seem like an asshole, im just tired of having small minded yank kids pull apart my ideas.

Anyone who knows me knows im a pretty easy giong guy, im always trying to help people, but fuck this, people talk to me like this, and ill defend myself.

[Mateusz]

Well don't be suprised... your project just faced the reality.. don't blame other as they are the ones that potentially could loose something. You are going just to hotlink their content so you are about to loose nothing but they will have to pay bandwich bills and this 'brand marketing'... honestly I think it would work opposite way - you say share 1 million clips for free so I ask why the hell user shall be willing to pay signup fee if he can get all those free clips for free?

[Mishi]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
The reason i am being so rude here, is becuase EVERY FUCKING TIME someone comes up with a new idea, people bash it.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.

This indusutry.. ARGG - this kinda shit wont happen in the IT or other industry's, you would be out on your ass in a second.

But here, its the way of the day! Flame flame flame! Your idea is shit, your shit, dont try, blah blah blah.

Sorry, i seem like an asshole, im just tired of having small minded yank kids pull apart my ideas.

Anyone who knows me knows im a pretty easy giong guy, im always trying to help people, but fuck this, people talk to me like this, and ill defend myself.

The problem is, you didn't come up with a new idea. You repackaged a very old idea, and presented it in such a way that it came across as, essentially, a scam. I'm not saying you're a scammer - I'm saying you look like one. If your posts make you appear untrustworthy, you might want to work on your posting style.

You're trying to pass yourself off as a business-minded person. Fine, then act like one. I have a nice handful of email addresses and I get more than my share of spam. Thirty a day? Try thirty an hour. It's called filtering software - look into it. (And please, don't expect anyone to believe that using a Yahoo address somehow relieves your of spam issues.)

I've looked at your posts. You are not a veteran in this business. There's nothing wrong with being a newbie, but please do not pretend you know more than those of us who have been making a living at this. Fresh ideas are always welcome. Your ideas are not fresh. That's not a flame, it's a fact.

Grow a thicker skin. "Constructive criticism" doesn't mean "criticism that agrees with what I already think." Humility will get you a long way, too. Instead of bashing everyone who disagrees with you, consider the possibility that they might be right.

Finally, I don't know whom precisely you're referring to when you use terms such as "warez kiddies", "yank kids", etc., but I think it's safe to say the vast majority of the posters here are professional adults, and your insults are wasted.

Rechannel some of your self-righteous anger into something constructive, and you may very well get somewhere in life.

[venturi]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
This indusutry.. ARGG - this kinda shit wont happen in the IT or other industry's, you would be out on your ass in a second.

This is priceless!

Name ONE (1) place other than the "adult entertainment internet promotion industry" where you would even get an honest answer to your inquiries.

I used to work Corporate IT (spelled Fortune 100) and had my hands deep into the marketing and product development areas of one of the largest corporations on the Earth. The fact of the matter is, if you brought to the table a potentially viable plan and you didn't have EVERY duck in a row and could PROVE it was your idea, you'd be "out on your ass in a second" just to take out a potential "player" in the equation.

Think your idea is "Da Bomb"?! Great, put it together into a cohesive marketing and business plan with bullet proof evidence that it's your idea and vision. Put it on the table when you have said proof and pitch it to the people that you feel would be a good fit.

Just don't come onto a public board like this with your half-baked idea asking for advice/comments/criticism and then cry like a baby when you actually DO get honest feedback. Geez! Do you honestly think that anybody that has seen your posts will ever wish to conduct business with you, given your recent rants and insulting attitude?

[john0pr0n0]

Ok thats cool then guys, i get the point.

We will have to agree to disagree then, i have no more time to spend on this subject, thanks for everyone's input

[Ramster]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
The reason i am being so rude here, is becuase EVERY FUCKING TIME someone comes up with a new idea, people bash it.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.

This indusutry.. ARGG - this kinda shit wont happen in the IT or other industry's, you would be out on your ass in a second.

But here, its the way of the day! Flame flame flame! Your idea is shit, your shit, dont try, blah blah blah.

Sorry, i seem like an asshole, im just tired of having small minded yank kids pull apart my ideas.

Anyone who knows me knows im a pretty easy giong guy, im always trying to help people, but fuck this, people talk to me like this, and ill defend myself.

I was gonna stay out of this but...

John, you need to tone things down a bit I think. Not everyone here "flaming" you are "small minded yank kids".

Some people may honestly think your idea is not worth it. That handing out free clips to someone for the hope of traffic is not worth it.

I hate it when some says "this kinda shit wont happen in the IT or other industry's, you would be out on your ass in a second." It sounds lame, though it is mostly true. LOL

Now...almost ALL sponsors offer sample videos on their tour and surfers download them ALL the time. So what's the difference if you as a sponsor just give a few to some guy with an idea that might drive traffic to you? Seriously?

I think the idea is fine if you want to brand your site more to all the surfers out there. Plus offereing a sample video or two is NO different than offering hosted video gallereis. Wake up, surfers "steal" those all the time.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
The reason i am being so rude here, is becuase EVERY FUCKING TIME someone comes up with a new idea, people bash it.

This doesn't just apply to you nor does it just apply to adult - but the truly good ideas in business are those that people can not find holes in

[RawAlex]

John: Here is where your idea falls down: Quite simply, if is it such a great idea, why not do it yourself?

Buy some exclusive video content (it's not THAT expensive) watermark it to a filter domain, and distributie it for free and see what happens.

Use that data (number of people typeing in that URL) versus the amount of bandwidth used and use those numbers to promote your product.

An idea and $5 will get you a big latte at starbacks. You can also get it with just the $5.

As for DVDs, you may not have understood this, but many membership sites either don't have the rights for DVD distribution of thier own material, have signed those rights away, or would be concerned to have their material on DVD because the rules for obscenity are more easily applied to a tangible product. Many of them shoot their video at low enough quality that people would not be lining up to buy it if they saw it on a DVD. 1CCD camera stuff looks okay at 320X240 on a computer screen, but it looks like HELL on the TV screen.

Finally, if you are going to be in marketing, remember that it is ALL about marketing. If your idea is truly unique and new, and you really believe in it, it can stand to be seen in the light of day. You don't have to try to sneak it out the back door when nobody is listening. If you idea truly works and you have proof of it's financial viability, the membership sites will line up at your door to make cash.

Right now you are presenting a "fantasy" marketing idea with no numbers to back you up, no experience with the concept, no test run. no test market, no samples, and no way to show the actual expense / return ratios. Without all of those things, you would be laughed out of any company, adult, non-adult, or disney.

We aren't sheep. But many of the people in this room have been doing this since 1996 or 1997. We have seen things come and go, and we have seen really go ideas that have stopped panning out over time. The free site model is developed as a way to distribute content for free in return for viewing ads. We can provide empirical data that says "for everyone 1000 visitors to a free site, X will click on a banner, link, or otherwise do something productive other than whack off".

Until you can say for certainty that "for every 10mps server running full cap all month, you will get X surfers, Y% of which will go to your join page" and have the data to back it up, well, you are just a guy asking people to spend money and give away the one thing they are trying to sell in order to HOPE something happens (without proof that it will).

I know people who put carefully controlled clips of their content out on services like kazaa, bit torrent, and whatnot. But they use the benefits of the P2P network (You only pay a little bandwidth to get it out there... once it is out there, you can quit) and the long term nature of these file exchanges to get people to come to your site. The bandwidth / visitor ratio is within reason most of the time. However, the clips are often carefully edited to show limited action, to tease, or whatever. They are not sending out major clips from their paysite member's area for free. Moreover, many of them use Real encoding as it allows for popup windows to be encoded into the streams, which can help to drive people to the front door of the site.

It's just the facts. Prove us otherwise with real world numbers.

Alex

[LindaMight]

I can only say .... I used to fall for everything...and trust everyone......I learned.....I learned.

Too bad the honest people get shafted....I wish you luck.

Linda

[john0pr0n0]

Well everyone has made some good points, i have not explained the idea well enough nor provided enough information or facts to back up my claims.

And yes i do need to tone it down, i have come across as a real asshole im sure, im just tired of seeing people "flaming" - thats all, not even just me im tired of seeing it everywhere - we should have an open discussion here, not putdowns, we can see many unnecasary posts here, along with some useful ones.

Anyways, its been fun, Next time ill try to remain more calm