2257 Spit Take - The Christian view

[mrMagoo]

Here is that college article I mentioned. It is worth a few laughs

http://www.kykernel.com/media/paper3...l-892094.shtml

Short excerpts:
"When I was 16, my boyfriend became addicted to porn. The problem affects every aspect of our relationship to this day. I'm overly self-conscious because I know that often when he looks at me, he sees me as an object of his desires rather than the person I truly am. It tears me up inside that his love for me wasn't enough to conquer his desire for sexual relationships with other women."

then this curious statement:
"If porn has such a dramatic effect on me and other third-party victims, much as second-hand smoke does, what does it do to women in the business? What would drive a woman to make that career choice? What feeling do you get when your only contributions to the world are sold in the back of a dark warehouse to middle-aged men in need of a bath?"

And how about this gem:
"As the amount of pornographic content in today's magazines and television ads rises, so do eating disorders on college campuses. Men see gorgeous women on the cover of Vogue, and suddenly women feel they must either copy that look or be undesirable."

Vogue is now pornography?

And this certainly warrants attention:
"Women in porn are making themselves available, over and over again, with the hope that someday someone will fill the hole within their hearts. "

Hole within their hearts? This must be a new genre of porn. |cool|

[gigi]

this legislation will open the way for a "crackdown" on illegal pornography, which makes up a majority of the $57 billion dollar industry that grosses more than the professional sports industry, according to a new book by Teen Mania President Ron Luce, entitled Battle Cry for a Generation.

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I couldn't decide which emoticon was most appropriate...haha

[docholly]

Originally Posted by mrMagoo

Here is that college article I mentioned. It is worth a few laughs

http://www.kykernel.com/media/paper3...l-892094.shtml

Short excerpts:
"When I was 16, my boyfriend became addicted to porn. The problem affects every aspect of our relationship to this day. I'm overly self-conscious because I know that often when he looks at me, he sees me as an object of his desires rather than the person I truly am. It tears me up inside that his love for me wasn't enough to conquer his desire for sexual relationships with other women."

then this curious statement:
"If porn has such a dramatic effect on me and other third-party victims, much as second-hand smoke does, what does it do to women in the business? What would drive a woman to make that career choice? What feeling do you get when your only contributions to the world are sold in the back of a dark warehouse to middle-aged men in need of a bath?"

And how about this gem:
"As the amount of pornographic content in today's magazines and television ads rises, so do eating disorders on college campuses. Men see gorgeous women on the cover of Vogue, and suddenly women feel they must either copy that look or be undesirable."

Vogue is now pornography?

And this certainly warrants attention:
"Women in porn are making themselves available, over and over again, with the hope that someday someone will fill the hole within their hearts. "

Hole within their hearts? This must be a new genre of porn. |cool|

i found this entire article amusing.. but what made me laugh the most was that it was the "KY-Kernel" little lube off the grease from KFC. obviously suffering from the calista flockheart syndrome and wants to blame porn for her condition.

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I would like an explination of this statement.

"One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities."

I would really love to hear the thought process that leads to this way of thinking. I believe this thoguht process is very dangerous. My understanding of this thought process is that leads to cruelty that only humans can justify.

Since few people that actually have this mind set are willing to rationally explain it then I guess I will have to continue on with my own thoughts.

This is the mind-set of extremists of all types. Just for fun (NOT) I spent a little time a year or so ago browsing a hardcore extremist "feminist" group's forum. At the time, these "feminists" were all up in arms about the pubic hair shaving trend. I learned that by shaving my naughty-bits, I was setting womankind back several centuries. Never mind the whole personal, individual choice thing - my actions somehow stood for something...well, really hairy, I guess. Ach, I'd best not go on.

Anyway, IMO these chickies were no more "feminists" than most of the far-right religious folk are "Christians." An extremist is an extremist; they manage to bring a bad reputation down on those they claim to represent, while totally mangling the actual belief system. They are both pathetic and dangerous, and I hold a very special (and dark) place in my heart for them all.

[NotThatKevin]

Sorry my number 0f over 4,000 was wrong. It is +/- 500 clergy and the info can be found here http://www.eros.com.au/hypocrites2.php

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I would like an explination of this statement.

"One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities."

I would really love to hear the thought process that leads to this way of thinking.

Masturbating to porn makes one less horny. Horny men who can't masturbate to porn are more motivated to seek out women. Since good Christian women don't put out before marriage, men will get married to be able to have sexual release, causing more new future Republican Christian voters to be born. Ergo: Masturbating to porn leads to the downfall of the Christian Right, and is therefore a "threat to the family."

And no, I'm not entirely joking. I've had Christian born-againers explain that logic to me in about that way.

[sam]

fucking bs!

[rollergirl]

Ok.. let's think back to the pre- election. The FarRighteous Indignators offered their support to the GWB team to assist in him winning the election. Focus on the FamDamily's big honcho D obson called on the Christian's to support Bush. The right wingers were the one's who sent out the lovely propeganda through the US mail that said 'Democrats will ban the bible if Bush Loses'. Another lie, but hey, who's counting...

Now.. Bush gets in office and it's time to make payback to the good folks who got him to office. They set up this revision, and rally team Christian to support this, highly unconstitutional attrocity called 2257. From a distance, the team says.. "FINALLY...
Bush is doing something to rid the world of the filthy pornographers- I support this!!
Isn't he a good, God Fearing man!!!"

Roll to the courts reviewing this revision. If they toss it out on it's backside-as gov 101 tells us, it should happen. Then the righter's now can say that they have PUT A LAW OUT THERE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN and the LIBERAL JUDGES are protecting the pornographers. Remember, it was the LIBERAL JUDGES who made gay marriage an issue. We need to get rid of the Liberal judges!! That would be a coup especially when he isn't really doing much for his base on the abortion issue.

Mind you, he's on his way, and some are already saying,to being a Lame Duck president, and his base is probably getting pissy that their issues aren't being addressed.

If you really want to read some mindblowing crap, search for the book "Dare to Disc ipline" Because good Christians should beat, humiliate and abuse their children to teach them values and morality. BTW.. all you Welmart shoppers, support this with your dollars. Wel-mart sells baby gift sets that include a sweet little jammies and the Dare to Discipline book all wrapped up with a bow. These entities are intertwined, in bed together.. what have you... Follow the money.

There's a bigger picture here than just our little record keeping nigh tmare.

[juggernaut]

Word on the spanking. When I watch nanny 911 I just hit the roof. 3, 4, 5 year old kids controling their parents. My sister raises her son with a soft iron hand. He is the best little 7 year old I know because of it. You can take him anyplace, just tell him he is to be good or you will tell his mom and all is cool. No screaming in movies or acting up at dinner. Not to change this into a child raiseing topic but I have always believed that my moms belt, my welts, and my punishments tought me good lessons. In short for every action there is a reaction. If that action is bad then the reaction can be worse. Case in point, you are 15 you steal a car, you MAY go to kiddy jail, you may not. You hit 18, you steal a car. Odd are with in the next year you will have new friends who will teach you the meaning of Biotch. Just that thought showed me to get in line, thank to my mom and her wonderful, black leather belt that she used with Kung Fu skill.

[rollergirl]

I didn't say I was for or against spanking. In the Do bson book.. it suggests that you whip your children with objects such as belts, or bread boards. You should also hang the item in plain view of the children with the words like "for lies only" as a reminder.

I guess we can't have faith in our little ones to give them bygones when they make mistakes. We have to assume they are bad and terrorize them with reminders of the impending beatings. BTW.. you should be starting this discipline very early in your toddlers life...

I think consecquences are important in raising kids. Parenting books are all very soft and cuddly now and kids are little shits.
You can raise good people who respect boundries without injuring them, their minds, their bodies or their spirits.

If you search for Dob son (it's one word) and his books, you'll see what people have to say about this.

I know this isn't a parenting forum, I really wanted to point out how messed up this all is.

[Linkster]

Sorry - didnt mean to say that you were for or against anything

And I do remember the belt, the switch and the paddle hanging on the kitchen wall - as well as the long paddle in every classroom in every school I ever attended till I was in HS, and I can tell you that I learned "real quick" what to do and what not to do - with no questions asked - and no gentle explanations of "why".

Sorry - but since everyone started this whole feel good movement all I can see if that it spurned gangs in neighborhoods that used to have ball tournaments in the inner city (I did get to live in Wash DC for part of my upbringing so I remember it well) - spurned the hand out generation (somehow its tied to the MTV generation that has now matured and had their own frigging brats that think everything is theirs automatically)
and most importantly - its created a health-care system that sees the chaos and takes advantage of it, created mindless apathetic people that wont even go out and vote for their government, and clueless idiots that get "given" degrees in college now that (and I swear this is the truth) act surprised when you tell them that Alaska really isnt an island (this was from a girl with a masters degree) because they see the maps where Alaska is always a cutout in the map Great education kids get now-a-days

[rollergirl]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Great education kids get now-a-days

Yep.. I hear you.
Things are different, and not for the better.

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