Why now baned?

[Tornado]

Sorry Cleo
I will remember it.

[MrMaryLou]

Tornado let me ask you this when was the last time you looked to see what kind of domains you are hosting ?

[Tornado]

MrMaryLou,
unfortunately I havn't enough time to look through thousands and thousands domains
But this is my fault, maybe.. only my fault.
rape, incest and various form of traffic cheat absolutely prohibit by our tos. So I need a time to settle the problem.

[DangerDave]

I do not make any I understand this thread on all

DD

[Cleo]

Буд********т р********пс********м и кр********в********см********ш****************и********м ф****************т****************ии к********к р**************** к********к ****************ш ****************пр********т ф****************т****************ии
HQHost

[Tornado]

Sorry madam
I can't translate it at all.
english or german please..

[Surfn]

Tornado

Viele Lügen, die ich sehe, wie jetzt Sie zu viele stupids sind. Wenn Völker zusammen arbeiten wollen, mehr sollte sie. Viele Völker sind ehrlicher als auf Ihrem dummen Gastgeber!

[Cleo]

I don't speak or read Russian either but I do know how to run English through a translator to come up with what is probably really bad Russian that makes very little sense just like the Russian webmasters do to come up with really bad English that makes very little sense.



How is it that free hosts can police their servers and a paid host can't?

How hard is it to run a bot on the domains that you host looking for illegal domains names and viruses?

[Ramster]

Damn, this is a long thread. I was away all weekend and am not going to read it all.

HQ Host is full of cheaters and even worse, CP domains, animal domains, and inc*st domains. If you are already submitting to me then you are fine. If you are new and I see HQ Host, forget it!

My TGPs take no HQHost domains, period.

[Tornado]

Entschuldigen sie bitte,
Aber Ich kann nicht verstehen was Sie hier geschriben haben. Sie sprechen vielleicht irgend velcher Dialekt oder Hollandisch. Oder sie versuchen als Cleo ubersetzer benutzen.

Seien sie bitte korrekt und sprechen Wir lieber Englisch.

[Cleo]

Hmmm,

ntschuldigen she asks, but I cannot understand which you geschriben
here to have. They speak perhaps possibly velcher dialect or
Hollandisch. Or they try as Cleo more ubersetzer use.

They are please correct and speak we dear English.

English it is then.
So is HQHost going to clean up its act ASAP or is it going to wait until enough of its clients leave that it hurts them financially?

As far as the cheats going to another host all I can say is that there is plenty of room on our ban lists.

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Cleo

As far as the cheats going to another host all I can say is that there is plenty of room on our ban lists.

have you ever seen a hosting company get real big and like a poped bubble get real small

wanna know one of the reasons that happens

cheaters !!!
A host gets a lot of cheaters using their service.
they are getting listed everywhere etc etc.
slowly their domains and ip ranges get blacklisted,
the cheaters ask for new ips and the host gives it to them.
now TGP owners see them with new ips so they start blacklisting name servers.

with no other choice the cheaters move to another host.

the hosts ips remains blacklisted
Legit Clients cannot operate there, Cheaters cannot operate there
The company bubble bursts


this will - is starting to happen to HQ Host !!!!!

they are offering us nothin, All they are saying is its not our fault, we will do nothing about it, except cash the checks

A very Important point I would like to make
you might be hosted at HQ Host and you might be getting listed at 7 tgps and LLs and your making a few k each month and your thinking this aint so bad !!!

but I bet if you were hosted at Cone Puppy you would get listed on 50 tgps and might be making 20k a month


Tornado, you and your company and I am sorry to say your clients days are numbered

[Tornado]

Cleo,
Nobody can settle problem with cheaters on one's own. Certainly it's quite possible to discover illegal words such as (rape, ince*st, pre*teen...) but under extension of such words list server load will increase with a progression. Such a situation is unacceptable too. we can trace banned words at stage of data load into server. But anyway in this case there is a loophole for cheaters as they can use their scripts for content download.
We are able to launch bot which will analize domain names. In case there will be negative component inside of their body our person will look through content by hand (such a process is very serious and hard but we're ready to do it).

irresistible problem of content as such remains. It's impossible to analize graphical objects technically. So it's the only way - to rely on your assistance.

Virus test? It's quite hard to do it for technical reason. First of all it's necessary to have some basis, signatures, suspect files. Anyway total searching of bad code will load host strongly.
Everyone criticizes hosting but noone says which way to settle this problem in. Does it matter nothing for you if the same cheaters will work from other hosts in a week?

Please understand the main thing: this problem settlement within hqhost is favorable for you mainly. Let's suppose hosting will lose 50 mbs. But by the highest standarts it's a real trifle. But the problem won't be settled at all. Of course I understand some customers compromise all manager staff and brand as a whole. But hosting ban is not a way from this situation. Cause in fact it's our common problem.

I'm ready to help you with this problem as a representative of the first-rate Russian market company.

[Greenguy]

Tornado - if I go to a restaurant & order a Fruit Cocktail & 9 times out of 10 the waiter hits me in the head with a mallet, I'd probably stop ordering Fruit Cocktails.

If I'm reviewing sites & 9 times out of 10 they are on one of the hosts mentioned in this thread, well, I'm gonna stop listing sites from those hosts.

You're also only getting input from one side of this & since they are your paying customers, you're of course going to back them. If you really want to see both sides of this, go open up a link list or tgp, review 200-300 sites a day, decline 50-75% of them because they don't fit the rules that you have in place (the rules that you asked the submitters to read before they submitted) Waste time day in & day out doing this for a year. Then come back & tell us what we should do.

The long & short of it is that you really have no say in who any of us to business with & vice versa.

[Tornado]

Tommy, our business is not hosting for link lists only.
Daily we are growing more and more. Sometimes different problems appear, but we win authority by settlement of each new one. Hope we'll settle this one too.

Thank You

[Tommy]

Originally posted by Tornado
Tommy, our business is not hosting for link lists only.

yeah yeah yeah

Tornado: your host is mainly made up of theives and cheaters

mostly I would say email spamers and tgp cheaters

I have 17 emails right now in my inbox from tgp owners asking for your ip ranges

I have also got several more private messages and emails of tgp owners asking me to stop giving out informatin on this board
about ip blacklisting

if this had little effect on your buisness you wouldnt be here trying to defend your host

WEBMASTERS that use this host it is in your companys best interst to move

[Surfn]

Tornado

There are plenty of easy and cheap scripts to block unwanted files from being FTP'd onto a server. Who are you trying to bullshit?

[Tornado]

Greenguy, I’m absolutely agree with you. But the problem is in following: in case you’ll interrupt drinking Fruit Cocktails you’ll be the first one who will die from the thirst.

The problem matter isn’t in loss of some customers dozens but in such a case they will continue to fuck you again and again.

Unfortunately we didn’t control Link Lists cheaters number as for our great company ranges. It’s not only our fault, but yours too. But we’ll settle this problem (at least some part of it which may be settled locally). Promise!

Anyway I don’t want to hold debate further. As I’ve said earlier the given problem isn’t settled basically!!! Cause the cheaters migrate together with honest masters. Your problems will be remained. It’s rather difficult to treat patient than to amputate some diseased organ. It’s a fact. Anyhow you Greenguy personally may apply for my help by any problem (technical one or russian community contacts).
my ICQ 130756945

As regards unsound arguments as for us… Tommy, I don’t know you personally. Don’t know who are you in reality. I’m not well-informed about your resources. But I’m sure a person blames somebody without any proof is either a blockhead or a greenhorn. Sorry, don’t pay attention to my words. I don’t want to offend you at all.

Unfortunately I’ve heard about this bulletin board too late. The truth is that I’ve knew about such resources existence only some days ago. Of cause I was informed about TGP cheat but if you could read in Russian you would get to know my personal references as for Russian bord cheat. Unfortunately you don’t know me at all. So you permit yourself such words.

Surfn, Matter of fact is “unwanted files” is rather vague concept. It’s nearly impossible to expose cheater without any external assistance. In case you have some certain proposals as for cheaters struggle I’m ready to our cooperation.

[Linkster]

Originally posted by Tornado

… Tommy, I don’t know you personally. Don’t know who are you in reality. I’m not well-informed about your resources. But I’m sure a person blames somebody without any proof is either a blockhead or a greenhorn. Sorry, don’t pay attention to my words. I don’t want to offend you at all.

I would say by what you just posted you already have offended him and if I were him Id go ahead and give those IP number blocks to the major TGP owners - especially since his site (Tommys Bookmarks - you might have heard of it) is one of the largest in the world

[Tornado]

oh
Sorry man.
Yes I know about Tommys Bookmarks. But my main job is webhosting and local ISP.

Tommy, Of cause you have right to think so..
In case you'll give me a chance to improve the problem , I'll be very thankful...

[RawAlex]

Tornado, before you start pitching crap at other people, you would probably want to review ALL of your partner accounts. Have a look for child porn and rape keyworded sites names. Go have a look and see what some of your customers are actually running. See where they make their money, and then decide if you want their business.

Ignorance is nothing but an excuse for willful blindness. It has taken a thread like this that might actually threaten your business to get your attention.

Review all of your client accounts. Start with the ones with the most domains and the most traffic. Work your way down the list. When you get tired of shitcanning people for running borderline illegal, illegal, and dishonest stuff, then you can come back and explain how it went.

Until then, you strike me as just another whiney little weasle upset because he is about to lose his candy.

Alex

[spazlabz]

this thread is kind of a waste of time (yes I read the entire thing). There are some undeniable facts stated repeatedly here and the bottom line is this entire thing could have been summed up in 2-3 replies.
1) LL/TGP owners are going to make descisions based on what is good for their business models.......period
2) Any given hosting company is going to make descisions based on what is good for their business models

Both of those facts are irreputeable(sp) and justified. If it just so happens that what is good for one is not good for the other then there won't be any relationship between the two.
If the hosting company can't realize that the 'rules' are there for a reason then thats their bad. Banning a host and having the host implicate that the LL business will suffer from it is patently absurd.
saying a host can't prevent malicious programs from being uploaded to their servers is again, absurd.
If your a hosting company, and you wish to continue to host sites with names containing words that will be banned, then deal with the fact that your going to be blanketed banned. Change the way you do business or count on not doing any business with any LL/TGPs
simple


spaz

[Tornado]

Originally posted by RawAlex
Tornado, before you start pitching crap at other people, you would probably want to review ALL of your partner accounts. Have a look for child porn and rape keyworded sites names. Go have a look and see what some of your customers are actually running. See where they make their money, and then decide if you want their business.

Ignorance is nothing but an excuse for willful blindness. It has taken a thread like this that might actually threaten your business to get your attention.

Review all of your client accounts. Start with the ones with the most domains and the most traffic. Work your way down the list. When you get tired of shitcanning people for running borderline illegal, illegal, and dishonest stuff, then you can come back and explain how it went.

Until then, you strike me as just another whiney little weasle upset because he is about to lose his candy.

Alex

Alex I already send more than 10 cancellation notifications and I sure in one week all rape and incest domains will remove from our hosting. Some of domains disabled once and for all already.

[Tornado]

spazlabz,
I agree with You..

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Tornado
Anyhow you Greenguy personally may apply for my help by any problem (technical one or russian community contacts).
my ICQ 130756945

I don't have time to sit here & email you every little problem with the customers that you have - I'm trying to save some time by doing this, not create more work.

Plus, looking at it from a hosting POV, just because one of your customers pulls a site after I listed it probably doesn't break any of your hosting rules. Who the fuck am I to tell you how to run your hosting company?

Originally posted by Tornado
Alex I already send more than 10 cancellation notifications and I sure in one week all rape and incest domains will remove from our hosting. Some of domains disabled once and for all already.

It's very sad that you waited to be called out in public before putting this practice into place.