the future of tgps and link lists (maybe)

Greenguy · 2005-01-23, 07:08 AM

You know what I love - and this doesn't apply to Tommy (LOL)

The geniuses that run CJ's & blink link TGP's that think that they should be able to charge surfers for clean gallery links after fucking them over for the last 5 years

security_man · 2005-01-23, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

You know what I love - and this doesn't apply to Tommy (LOL)

The geniuses that run CJ's & blink link TGP's that think that they should be able to charge surfers for clean gallery links after fucking them over for the last 5 years

yeah, but wouldnt you if you could?

Linkster · 2005-01-23, 09:14 AM

Tommy - if you remember - I was one of the few that agreed with you back in the day when we were discussing paid submits a few years ago

I happen to agree with you on this as well - for a few reasons.
First - from a biz model as you mentioned, we have been screwing ourselves for years to make money for sponsors - and they in turn have taken it further with the addition of free hosted galleries and loads of free content for submits, leading to the "easy path" for a bunch of new WMs and killing off a few big content companies in their path.
Second - and I think that there is a low buzz already developing about this - the organizational side of this biz has always been lacking - people have developed into small groups, but never a large "association" that worked towards the benefit of the people that do the real work in the biz (traffic generators)
Third - A lot of self regulation done early on our side would lead to less future attempts at regulation from the outside, and some people still look at the internet as a wild wild west - it still "seems" that way, but with everything from lawsuits to international treaties in the works already to regulate the internet, this will change - and we better be ready.
Last - there are some technical issues that will have to be handled ranging from issues with SE's caching and image hotlinking (copywrite issues) to handling WMs in countries that tend not to care about self regulation but I truly believe that can all be worked out to everyones benefit.
I say we should definitely not let this one drop for a few years like we did with the paid submits

mrMagoo · 2005-01-23, 09:48 AM

A federal court dismissed obscenity charges against extreme associates, here is the article http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=214089

One of the reasons cited for dropping the charges was that extreme associates has their content behind a member's area that can only be accessed with a credit card.

So charging with a credit card gives you some protection.

whitey · 2005-01-23, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

You know what I love - and this doesn't apply to Tommy (LOL)

The geniuses that run CJ's & blink link TGP's that think that they should be able to charge surfers for clean gallery links after fucking them over for the last 5 years

You are right on GG...When we did the experiement, there were several other tgps involved - most of them cj/tgp type sites.

Our site and one other had clean gallery links with a couple of semi blind links - "click here for more tgp galleries" or "visit our other tgp for more galleries" type of thing that many "clean" tgps use.

In general, the cleaner the site, the better the conversions. We primarily focused on the niche/hardcore nature of the protected galleries. We charged $10.00/month.

I agree with the sentiments expressed by several regarding the fact that competition will drive things to the lowest common denominator - free porn. But, by gaining trust of your surfers and providing them higher quality, high res galleries featuring hardcore porn in a non hassle environment, money can be made.

From a submitters standpoint, all I can say is that the hardcore galleries in the protected area converted at a rate I have not seen since we dropped the project.

It was only a three month project with about 5 or 6 tgps participating, but the results were encoraging.

2005-01-23, 07:08 AM	#1
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	You know what I love - and this doesn't apply to Tommy (LOL) The geniuses that run CJ's & blink link TGP's that think that they should be able to charge surfers for clean gallery links after fucking them over for the last 5 years __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-01-23, 09:14 AM	#3
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Tommy - if you remember - I was one of the few that agreed with you back in the day when we were discussing paid submits a few years ago I happen to agree with you on this as well - for a few reasons. First - from a biz model as you mentioned, we have been screwing ourselves for years to make money for sponsors - and they in turn have taken it further with the addition of free hosted galleries and loads of free content for submits, leading to the "easy path" for a bunch of new WMs and killing off a few big content companies in their path. Second - and I think that there is a low buzz already developing about this - the organizational side of this biz has always been lacking - people have developed into small groups, but never a large "association" that worked towards the benefit of the people that do the real work in the biz (traffic generators) Third - A lot of self regulation done early on our side would lead to less future attempts at regulation from the outside, and some people still look at the internet as a wild wild west - it still "seems" that way, but with everything from lawsuits to international treaties in the works already to regulate the internet, this will change - and we better be ready. Last - there are some technical issues that will have to be handled ranging from issues with SE's caching and image hotlinking (copywrite issues) to handling WMs in countries that tend not to care about self regulation but I truly believe that can all be worked out to everyones benefit. I say we should definitely not let this one drop for a few years like we did with the paid submits __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-01-23, 09:48 AM	#4
mrMagoo Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 96	A federal court dismissed obscenity charges against extreme associates, here is the article http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=214089 One of the reasons cited for dropping the charges was that extreme associates has their content behind a member's area that can only be accessed with a credit card. So charging with a credit card gives you some protection.