Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

...If you're willing to honestly look at my freesite when I submit it to you and if you don't like it but are willing to be honest & send me an e-mail even if it says "fuck off" then this is what I will do for you. I will do this regardless of your size of how much traffic you send.

I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.


BTW - This list:

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

• I promise to build nice, attractive sites for you.
• I promise to follow the rules.
• I promise to use a real e-mail address, the one that comes to my outlook.
• I promise to run your recip.
• I promise to not remove your your recip for not listing some odd site, as long as you are honest with me day to day.
• I promise to use above average content, because this helps us both.
• I promise to not change the pages outside of the rules.
• I promise to not redirect anyone and I believe that even surfers from Croatia or Yugoslavia have a right to view porn.
• I promise to not remove the pages that I submitted.
• I believe there is WAY more money in playing fair than any cheater could ever make.

That will get you listed everytime, no emails required

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.

Ok Mark, then answer this. When have you ever known me to fail calling a dog a dog. Face to face (on the boards, obviously), man to man? No matter WHO the playa is, was or thought they are? 12dicks, pumpsdogs even brad, who I really do admire in spite of the fact that he's a throbbing dick sometimes?

If I thought you were actually dishonest I would come to your board and post on the main forum why I thought it was so.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

BTW - This list:
That will get you listed everytime, no emails required.

Not true or we wouldn't be here.


Jim.. how's that? I don't see it. I'm actually accomplishing 2 things. I'm finding out who won't tell me if they don't list me but let me run their link, and I'm cleaning up my recip table.

It's my opinion that if someone is willing to mail you if you get rejected, then they actually have time to review and add sites rather than click, forget and dump them.

No?

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[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

...Not true or we wouldn't be here...

That does bring up a good point - post some URL's that weren't listed & let me take a look at them



Lizzie - UW took the words out of my mouth )or off my keyboard as the case may be)

[Verbal]

Adult Traffic, I love listing sites that meet the criterias you posted, so feel free to submit away. I do not reject sites from my serious submitters or board members unless there is a very good reason (which would cause other LL's to not list it either). Also, many LL's prefer to use this board to handle rejection questions or concerns so that everyone can learn from it, which usually works better than emails.

UW nicely said, I can already feel the love growing in here again.

[Fonz]

I like to list clean sites too, and I send out rejection emails when I feel like it
... meaning when the site isn't complete crap submitted with an autosubmitter...

Time to go to bed, Goodnight |cool|

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

That does bring up a good point - post some URL's that weren't listed & let me take a look at them

I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care.

Everyone, list them in your blacklist.

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/chloe...te/index.shtml
http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small...ts/index.shtml


http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sit...es/index.shtml
http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sit...te/index.shtml


http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/...rs/index.shtml
http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/...be/index.shtml

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care.

Everyone, list them in your blacklist.

http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/chloe...te/index.shtml
http://chloe-18.net/teen_sites/small...ts/index.shtml


http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sit...es/index.shtml
http://www.teen-topenga.com/teen_sit...te/index.shtml


http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/...rs/index.shtml
http://www.trixyteen.net/teen_sites/...be/index.shtml

I just checked 2 of them (A Teen Topanga and Trixy Teeen) and I would probably not list either.

1. Too many outgoing links (your own links that are included in the recip table)
2. Not clearly marked gallery links. I didn't find them until I clicked around on the links that I though it might be.
3. 28 recips is a TAD much

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by swedguy

I just checked 2 of them (A Teen Topanga and Trixy Teeen) and I would probably not list either.

1. Too many outgoing links (your own links that are included in the recip table)
2. Not clearly marked gallery links. I didn't find them until I clicked around on the links that I though it might be.
3. 28 recips is a TAD much

Well then they're shit.

At least someone could tell me, I'd pull their recip and go on about submitting to sites that didn't think the same way.

That's all I ask.

If they're too shitty to list they're too shitty to have your link on, right?

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

Well then they're shit.

At least someone could tell me, I'd pull their recip and go on about submitting to sites that didn't think the same way.

That's all I ask.

If they're too shitty to list they're too shitty to have your link on, right?

They're not shit, they just don't follow most link lists rules.


I don't say that this is the case for you, but I'm just going to say how I work

If my site got accepted at 90-95% of the LL's, I don't worry about the 5-10% that it didn't get listed at. It was most likely that they had enough of those kind of sites, overused content etc.

If only 50% accepted it, then I have done something seriously wrong. I would post the site on this board and get tips from other what the error might be or ask a friend that also does free sites, just to get a second opinion. Or just read couple of LL's rules and then try to look at my site again and see what I might have done wrong. Ask others never hurt

I don't expect anyone else to tell me what I've done wrong. If I posted to the link lists and they didn't list me, then I probably broke one of their rules and I need to go back and look what I can do better for my next site. But it sure is appreciated when someone tells me what's wrong, it saves me time. But that means I took time away from them, even tough I was the one that made the error.

[CybrFire]

I gotta agree with Swedguy...the gallery links were a little hard to find and too many outgoing links. BUT, if you could redo the layout so joe surfer could look at it once and locate the gallery links, then it wouldn't be a problem. All the links you provided pretty much looked the same...if you've got alot of differant templates to use, then you can add me in to your list of places to submit to. I'm not a GG or Penisbot traffic-wise (working on it...maybe someday soon), but I'll still list you.

As per the recip table, if you could cut it down to 12-15, then not a problem. See my sig below for both of my sites to submit to. And I do send out accept/reject emails and even take the time to point out problems etc., with submits.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

I PM you one because I don't really like to post my stuff in public, but what the hell, I don't care....

I think I was replying to you PM when you posted this



swedguy - that's what I told him too, plus a little more

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

swedguy - that's what I told him too, plus a little more

Can I post the problems/responses from the PM here?

[Adult Traffic]

Well, I wanted to ask first.

Originally Posted by GG

MrMaryLou reviewed this one but I think I can tell at least a few of the reasons we declined it:

1 - 28 recips might be a tad bit too many - plus having that many make them look rather small. I tend to go with 12-15 per site when I build

2 - the last row in the recip table, we consider those towards the "3 banners/ads" since they are not trades with Link Lists

3 - just form a design POV, I'd move the HPA above the recips

4 - what's with the thumbs on the bottom that are not linked? (that sets off bells with us because we tend to think that people will put links on them after we list the site)

5 - it did take me a bit to find the gallery links, mostly because one was up in the corner & the other is in the middle of the page with not text other than the link.

6 - your galleries have a serious lack of nudity

Thanks

Well, I don't really know how to build freesites, these are the first ones. Thanks for looking.

Let me explain my reasoning. No reason I can't change things.

1) I thought that's what everyone wanted, to be on the page with everyone else.

2) Ok. I can take them off. I just wanted to feed them SE hits.

3) I thought everyone wanted their links first. I thought they all wanted to be before the enter (or sponsor) link. I thought they would like to have first shot at the surfer before the ad.

4) They have alt tags. Also, look at the image name (properties) of them. That's all. I can remove them.

5) I know they are there for content. That's what's wrong with the broken TGP model. I don't really want them looking at my pics. I know they want to, but I want them to have to hunt for them. I want to make them look at my ads, not be banner blind.

6) I know. I want them to pay me to see naked girls. This is a business Totals: 4242 - 9 - 1:471 - $119.75 (50% revshare) on pure gallery traffic .

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I do not send rejections emails, therefore, by your analogy, I am not honest.

The only ones complaining are the ones who don't send e-mails

All he is doing is trying to find places to submit free sites to that don't just reject his sites, and not tell him. That's it...if you don't do it like that then there was no need to respond, he never said it makes you dishonest. But why should we submit to those of you that don't let us know? If we wasted our time doing that, and you reject our sites, for whatever reason, we would still be running your recip and you'd potentially be getting traffic froma site you rejected, right?

So, by starting this thread, he was simply looking for those of you that are wiling to do what he asked..if you don't, then you don't, no need to post your info then

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Lizzie

The only ones complaining are the ones who don't send e-mails

Honestly guys, the title of the thread created this poor tone. It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty. It's the very argumenative nature of this thread that is the reason many of us don't want to deal with angry rejected webmasters. I'm a small timer with no where near enough submissions to my list. I have plenty of time to review. I just don't have to time to argue about it.

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty.

That may be if you feel that way, you have a right. However, it's not to say that if you don't send rejection mails you are dishonest.

If I send you 6 good sites and a) you review all but list none of them
or worse
b) you review 1 and dump 5 without even looking ..

Good sites we're talking about .. running your recip.. listed by other sites who are sending their traffic ..

Then we don't really call that honest business. And it's not because they just don't send out rejection mails, it's that they were either too tired, too bored or too whatever to even give a proper review.

Here's an analagy that fits close enough. Ok, all the TGPs popping up... You know that Russian Submitter (and other automated program) people work a lot of hours trying to toss out TGPs that do the same thing?

They just want that recip. It's not the same exactly, but close. Those are real cheaters, they never list a site or 100% CJ the ones they do list.

.

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Honestly guys, the title of the thread created this poor tone. It does appear to imply that those of us who don't send rejection notices are dishonest, by making the sending of rejections synonymous with honesty. It's the very argumenative nature of this thread that is the reason many of us don't want to deal with angry rejected webmasters. I'm a small timer with no where near enough submissions to my list. I have plenty of time to review. I just don't have to time to argue about it.

OK, then why even post in this thread if you are one of the one's that doesn't send rejection e-mails? Just to argue? I don't get it...really...all we are looking for is people who will take the time to look at our sites, and if they reject them, just let us know so that we aren't running your recip....that is it.

You run your link list however you choose, if you choose not to let webmasters know that you rejected them and let them run your recip anyway, well, then, that says something right there I guess...

I realize everyone is soooo busy...but come on....