Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[Linkster]

I wasnt going to get into this as its way too late but since a question was asked way back - actually I guess it was more a statement - here goes:

#1 - Coming into the free site game with those sites as your first attempt will more than likely, if anyone takes the time to review them, get you banned. I believe you listed "following the rules" as one of your stated terms to this "trade", and I can tell you right off the starting block that every one of them breaks ever LL owners rules out there that I know of - ranging from using "free-hosted gallery templates" as your galleries, using sponsor content, using blind links on your sponsor links - and misdirection - what is displayed on mouseover is not where the surfer ends up due to your php script, after the first one "overused templates", and the use of the words young and teen in the titles of at least two sites and most of the sponsor pages, (which BTW prevents me from listing them due to my being an original member of the ASACP and that is one of our guidelines to not accept sites that pander to CP), not using the approved recips as stated in the rules (ex. Tommys), and I could go on and on.

Secondly, I dont know where this rock-throwing attitude comes from, but the first post I ever remember reading of yours was calling other traffic providors scum and scammers, while trying to spam your own traffic site on this and many other boards in the industry - so please don't tell others not to jump into your threads when you do it yourself. As a matter of fact I had used and still do use one of your "proported scammers" and have been extremely happy with them for years - and they are not a reseller.

Setting guidelines for your submits, is about the most obnoxious statement I've ever heard in this business (and yes Im much older than you and have been around much longer), especially from a total unknown submitter, with domains that were just bought last month, and thinking that you are doing LL owners a favor by giving them these autogenerated templated sites.

For yours - and many others info - the recip you put on your site does not do an established Link List any good in the search engines - as a matter of fact it's the other way around - our link to you gives you a boost in the SE's - FACT.

When Dare posts about the 8 hits a year that we get from those recips - thats after sending you hundreds if not thousands of targetted search engine traffic hits that can convert on a well done free site at 1:30 - FACT

The board like this one and others that were mentioned that we used to all work for back in the day for LL owners, have always been the place to get answers to free site submission questions - if you don't like that system and would prefer a silver-engraved invitation and rejection notice - I might consider it if you can get rid of the 500 bounced rejection notices I was sending out every day.
There are reasons for everything in this business - and just because you think that business to business is the only way to play this game - you are a long way off. Many people that have been around this business for a while know that most of the deals that we make to accept free sites from people (a good 50% daily for me) come from going to shows, networking etc. They don't come from threads like this I can tell you for a fact.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you really have been in the TGP game for a while, then you know that you can submit to TGPs for months on end without being accepted (and no rejection notice) and then finally after either meeting someone that knows someone, or after the reviewers become familiar with your work, then you finally start being accepted. On the other hand if you are just doing paid submits to TGPs then you weren't in the TGP game a few years ago and have no idea what I'm talking about.

Finally - I'm going to have to side with Tommy and the others - that you set expectations about how you want to run your business is fine - but as most that are sucessful in business know - sometimes you have to change your expectations to fit others rules and their expectations if you want to do business with them. Your statements do warrant not only an apology to some - but I would go a little farther and tell you that the original title of this thread was the reason I put it on total ignore up until now as I was likewise offended but wuite frankly I would say with your attitude none of this will change a damn thing and I'm probably setting my "expectations" way too high.