Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Linkster

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My gosh you guys are a bunch of high and mighty link listers.

Listen, if you don't want to list our sites, even after they have been gone over with the politely worded advice today, then that is your problem. This thread was started to find lists that were willing to send a rejection e-mail so that we wouldn't be running a recip for someone that wasn't listing our site.

There was alot of helpful advice and like AST said, we were more than willing to make changes. But I have got to tell you, I have been in this business for almost 7 years now and I have never met more egotistical bunch of people than alot of you link listers.

We were trying to learn to do it right, but at the same time just wanted it to be fair, and most of you could care less if it's fair to the webmasters that are submitting to you.

We have been in almost every aspect the adult game. We just wanted to give freesites a shot. So our first one's were't great, were yours? I highly doubt it. Instead of everyone jumping in and giving their 2 cents, why couldn't you just stay out of the thread that didn't concern you in the slightest IF you were a link list that didn't send rejection e-mails?

The only people this thread concerned were those of you that DO send e-mails and alot do and alot posted that they do and we will change our sites to comply with the sites we submit to, it really is that simple.

As far as traffic goes and scammers, well, we didn't just start in that area o adult, if we find a scammer that gives the rest of the traffic sellers/producers a bad name, then we will say so publicly on any board that will let us.

We have suceeded in the adult business by being honest and trustworty. That is just how we do things....and that is all we asked in return.

I know that GG doesn't mind piss on his board as he so eloquently stated tonight on his show, but I'm really tired of it. If you guys don't like us and don't like our sites, fine...I think we'll get over it...

[Kinky]

I'm not a link list that sends out rejection e-mails but I thought I would throw my two drunken cents in.... first off you are not the first submitters to get pissed about not having you sites listed, and you will not be the last...

and I know that having a recip on your site that doesn't list you seems like a big F U at first but if you follow the rules you will get listed a majority of the time... but you are going about rectifying the situation the wrong way here...

this is not a negative comment whatsoever but it is obvious that you haven't been around the link list world very long... the sites you posted didn't follow the link lists rules which causes them not to be listed, and most of the big link lists just don't have the time to explain why the site isn't listed, and they weed through so much crap everyday that they get sick of it and when they see a problem such as way too many outgoing links on the first page, it is an instant delete and if they get 6 submits with the same thing you get blacklisted pretty fast... it is nothing personal but this thread has turned it into that with all the jabbing back and forth...

even most of the link lists posting in this thread that say they send out rejection e-mails ar not going to list those sites when they review them... just my opinion but I would let this thread go, post a new one with the urls of your sites that don't get listed, and ask why (which has been done in this thread somewhat)... it will be a lot more productive for everybody in the long run... and making a submit list based on who sends out rejection e-mails is not a good idea as you will not get the traffic to your sites that you could if you just ask a few questions and for a little bit of help...

and again this is not a negative jab at you at all, but no matter how nice you think your sites look most of the link lists don't really need your submits, they have plenty of submits everyday that they can list instead, whether you believe it or not they really do want to list as many sites as possible, and if you build up a trusted relationship with sites then thingss get a whole lot easier also

[Linkster]

Lizzie - This thread was started with a premise that your partner agreed to in a later post that he considers Link list owners dishonest if they get a recip and dont list the site - Im not trying to start any piss - and for those that know me, I only try to give out helpful advice to newbies starting out in the game - which is what I was trying to do

I agree about the sites needing some work and thats the best part about this board is its the place to check those sites before they get submitted - what threw me off is after being told that a bunch of places wouldnt list you - you are still running their recips??? Why not just take them off those sites and submit them elsewhere that might list them?

I was basing my (hopefully helpful in your site building) opinions so that you could avoid some of the pitfalls that can happen when starting a new venture like this - if you dont like my opinion or my help - thats fine - lots of people have and some havent - not a big deal - if that sounds egotistical so be it - but I have to say thats the first time I've ever been called that

The other problem is the premise that you started with and a lot of the large link list owners obviously took offense - which is their right - and what I was trying to point out is that starting out trying to get traffic to free sites with just submitting to LLs that send rejection emails will not make you sucessful in the free site biz - maybe it came across differently, but it was just some advice that you might consider changing your game plan as it is based on a false premise - that a link list gets any benefit from a recip (evidently you think that the SEs care about them) other than a few hits a year and if you dont have time to check to see if you are listed and if not - pull the recip - then you don't have the time to do this free site thing correctly.
I guess an anology would be, wouldn't it be a smart biz decision to check your stats to see if the way a free site is built is selling? and If not change the way you build them? This is exactly the same thing as just simply checking the link lists after you submit to see if you are getting listed, as None of the large link lists other than R's R (and those rejection emails are usually wrong anyway) even send the emails, so why base your whole biz model on something that doesnt exist?
I can also tell you that basing an opinion on whether a site was looked at or reviewed on where the hit came from is probably not a good assumption - most of the larger LLs use proxys, fake user agents etc to find out what really happens to their surfers when deciding to list a site - so seeing someones admin area hits is not a good indicator. Most of us are now also running scripts that check whois info, redirections etc that are much more sophisticated than what you are used to in the TGP world - very rarely will you be able to tell when someone has reviewed your site.

Last - your last statement about why dont the LL owners who dont like the sites stay out of this - I believe most people on this board try to help everyone by donating their time here - unlike the other boards, almost every post in this thread has had some helpful advice - its up to you to do what you want with it