Drugging girls? wtf

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by natalie

Rarely do we see a movie where rape, murder and torture is shown as ok though or even encouraged.

Agreed, and I don't think this website legitimizes or encourages drug induced rape. If that were the case I'd probably reject it too. It caters to a particular fantasy. Some might find it repulsive, others enticing. Just because you have a fantasy doesn't mean you actually want to go out and perform the act. Isn't this ultimately what porn is all about; catering to people's fantasies?

[Useless]

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

There is a HUGE MOTHERFUCKING difference between promoting the fantasy of a man wanting to sleep with an Asain woman, a black woman, a pregant woman, whatever, and promoting nonconsensual sex. If it is nonconsensual, it is rape. Period. Do you people have to see the agony in a woman's eyes or hear her screams for help to believe that it is rape?

I suppose life experience with this subject makes some more sensitive than others. Marry a someone who has been molested. Date someone who has been drugged, beaten and raped. You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Listen to a 911 tape of a terrified woman calling for help when a man breaks in to her home to rape her - and continue to listen as she shrieks and begs for her life as he pounds her into submission and all that is left to hear are her soft wimpers. Then wipe the tears from your eyes and come back and explain the fucking fantasy part to me again, cause I don't get it.

Slammed with work here so haven't been posting...

But, just read this thread...and thought UW's post was worth repeating...

Folks, we sell fantasy here...fantasy amongst CONSENTING adults. If someone is drugged, passed out, or in some way incapacitated...it's NOT consensual...period.

Yes, I realize the site in question isn't real...but why even feed the sick fucking twisted ass fantasy of non-consensual sex???

This one would definitely be an insta BAN on my list

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You'll understand that what you refer to as fantasy is really a twisted fucking illness.

Many people assume that people aroused by rape fantasies must be more likely than others to commit the actual act, or that victims with rape fantasies actually want to become victims of sexual assault. This does not correspond with observed scientific evidence, however; while rapists usually fantasize about rape, so do normal psychologically healthy people.

In fact, an inability to use sexual fantasies for gratification is often regarded by law enforcement and other professionals as a more alarming warning sign than the presence of sexual fantasies of rape or sadism. Millions of normal people fantasize about rape, or being raped without wanting it to happen in reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Sexual_fantasy

[Mishi]

Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Mishi

Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.

Mishi, I am sorry, but I can not find that line you are talking about between the site what started this thread and BDSM sites listed at your LL, with descriptions like "Kidnapped slave girl is tied and gagged in ropes" or "Pussy punishment of poor beautiful girl in bondage". These does not sound very consensual to me. I am asking, where do you see such a difference to say this one will be banned and the second ones listed? If I would use UW's words I can talk about kidnapped girls who were held long months and even years by sick bastards. I will not do it. There is no doubt that rape and kidnapping are the worst crimes, even worse than murder in some cases. But these free sites are about sexual fantasies that normal healthy people have (proven fact) so I see no reason to ban them.

From my point of view I found much more harmful pregnant niche and I am seriously thinking to remove it from my LL.

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by Fido

Mishi, I am sorry, but I can not find that line you are talking about between the site what started this thread and BDSM sites listed at your LL, with descriptions like "Kidnapped slave girl is tied and gagged in ropes" or "Pussy punishment of poor beautiful girl in bondage". These does not sound very consensual to me. I am asking, where do you see such a difference to say this one will be banned and the second ones listed? If I would use UW's words I can talk about kidnapped girls who were held long months and even years by sick bastards. I will not do it. There is no doubt that rape and kidnapping are the worst crimes, even worse than murder in some cases. But these free sites are about sexual fantasies that normal healthy people have (proven fact) so I see no reason to ban them.

From my point of view I found much more harmful pregnant niche and I am seriously thinking to remove it from my LL.

Fido,

I get where you're coming from - I really do. This is not a simple topic and we can't find simple answers. I don't know if we can find ANY answers. I just hope we can all keep the topic open for discussion.

I pay close attention to the content and descriptions of the bondage and BDSM sites I receive. BDSM involves totally consensual power transference, and that's a known in the BDSM community. I recognize that people outside of the community may not realize this, and I try to keep that in mind. It is a fine line. I recognize that. And I appreciate hearing your point of view. Ultimately, I have to listen to MY gut reaction.

I have so much more I would like to say on this, but I can't sum it all up in a board post. There's an article churning away in my head now.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Mishi

Fido,

I get where you're coming from - I really do. This is not a simple topic and we can't find simple answers. I don't know if we can find ANY answers. I just hope we can all keep the topic open for discussion.

I totally agree, Mishi. And this is is why I joined this highly controversial thread. There are no simple answers to start witch-hunt. Btw, I would like to state that this kind of fetish does not mean anything to me personally, it has something to do, like you said, with a free speech online.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

catering to people's fantasies?

I think there's a point though that you have to be careful in crossing. There's a lot of people with sexual urges and fantasies that go to that illegal side.

[Toni KatVixen]

I've been following this thread and trying to decide how & if I was going to respond.

But I believe Useless expressed some of the thoughts I had very well.

I do not believe in promoting non-consensual sex. As a female I find those sites extremely sicking & messed up. It is sites like that bring down the heat on the rest of us. Cuz some crazy fucker will follow that "fantasy" and some poor woman will pay the price & then the link to “porn” will come out.

That is not porn, that is nauseating.