For those of you waiting for an injunction on 2257...

[domweb]

guitar_riff...I agree with you.

I am actually hesitating to join the FSC now, because of that bullshit clause. I smells too much like Mafia 'protection' to me. At the minimum, it's naked opportunism and smells of greed. If it's wasn't, why didn't they mention they would file an injuction only for members until thirty days before the law takes effect? They have been planning a challenge since Ashcroft announced changes LAST YEAR.

Sounds like they want a panic and stampede of webmasters to their checkbooks.

I think maybe I'll just switch business models and send my $300 to the ACLU. (Make that $1200...FSC wants three hundred per site).

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by domweb

guitar_riff...I agree with you.

I am actually hesitating to join the FSC now, because of that bullshit clause. I smells too much like Mafia 'protection' to me. At the minimum, it's naked opportunism and smells of greed. If it's wasn't, why didn't they mention they would file an injuction only for members until thirty days before the law takes effect? They have been planning a challenge since Ashcroft announced changes LAST YEAR.

Sounds like they want a panic and stampede of webmasters to their checkbooks.

I think maybe I'll just switch business models and send my $300 to the ACLU. (Make that $1200...FSC wants three hundred per site).

I haven't heard the ACLU say anything about this, so that is a waste of your money.

The Feds do not usually try and prosecute laws that are injoined, so even if you are not a member it will help.

I'm getting really sick of people getting so divided and so fucking cheap when this is such a big issue.

If you don't want to get behind the FSC, then don't. If it wasn't for them, we would all just be scrambling to get our paperwork together waiting for the deadline to expire on the 23rd.

If this (your) business is shut down by 2257 then I truely believe you (we) deserve it.

[domweb]

First off, I didn't say the ACLU was going to weigh in on this. However, they defend non-members if they believe the government is assaulting the principles of their charter. They don't require you to carry their membership card to benefit from their services. They likely won't go near 2257, but at least they don't muscle people last minute on membership fees.

Second of all, I believe the FSC is a NON-PROFIT institution. Am I wrong? Non-profits muscling for pay like a private lawyer is bullshit.

Thirdly, I have never had a problem paying lawyers or anyone else for their services, so don't lump me in with penny pinching freeloaders. I have paid out over three thousand in the last three years for private and business lawyers fees. Another $1500 was paid last week.

I do take offense at a non-profit acting like a for-profit institution. If they aren't a non-profit, then I am wrong. If they ARE a non-profit don't make excuses for them wanting to make extra coin. If they wanted to make it all about the money, they should have gone into private practice and pay the same tax rate as any other bunch of lawyers.

[domweb]

I just double checked the FSC's website. They claim to be a mix of non-profit and for profit institutions.

If you want to make it about the cash...pull the non-profit from your tax status.

The Red Cross is non-profit to. Perhaps they will just not help out folks who didn't contribute to them?

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

[Qon]

Originally Posted by domweb

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

ummmm... i sorta understand where u r coming from but i think u r looking at it the wrong way. these cats have clients but everything they do (including actions outside of the scope of client billing) costs $$$. i don't mind throwing a couple hundred dollars their way to help them. that's the whole point... its not like they r trying to make a fortune or demand a certain amount.

i know all about how much profit is in "non-profit" so that classification in itself means nothing. if you don't want to send'em some dough... DON'T. plain & simple.


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[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by domweb

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

It seems you are confusing non-profit with charity work. The two have nothing in common.

It seems you don't want to donate to the cause and that's your choice. Why bitch about the situation when others are going to pay your way for you? Come on, you're getting a free ride so what's to bitch about?