For those of you waiting for an injunction on 2257... - Page 2

Boogie · 2005-05-29, 01:36 PM

SirMoby nails it.

They're lawyers and at their base they're a business designed to make money. They're wanting to make money off you.

But who fucking cares?

They're performing a service no one else in this country wants to perform for you. If it costs you some coin that's the way it rolls.

guitar riff · 2005-05-29, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

I think they're a bunch of hot shot lawyers trying to make some coin.

Wasn't that who acacia was too a bunch of lawyers trying to make some coin LOL!!!

They thrive on the ignorance of people I guess.

SirMoby · 2005-05-29, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guitar riff

Wasn't that who acacia was too a bunch of lawyers trying to make some coin LOL!!!

They thrive on the ignorance of people I guess.

Wouldn't it be ignorant to think that lawyers spent all that time in law school to do charity work?

xxxjay · 2005-05-30, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

Exactly what am I copping out of? I donated just like you.

If the DOJ did get a list of names from the FCS who do you think they'd go after 1st? The people trying to fuck with them (at least in the eyes of the DOJ) or start with everyone in the world?

Personally, I think they will start with some of the extreme producers first on an obsenity case, but will use 2257 as a backup.

xxxjay · 2005-05-30, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by domweb

guitar_riff...I agree with you.

I am actually hesitating to join the FSC now, because of that bullshit clause. I smells too much like Mafia 'protection' to me. At the minimum, it's naked opportunism and smells of greed. If it's wasn't, why didn't they mention they would file an injuction only for members until thirty days before the law takes effect? They have been planning a challenge since Ashcroft announced changes LAST YEAR.

Sounds like they want a panic and stampede of webmasters to their checkbooks.

I think maybe I'll just switch business models and send my $300 to the ACLU. (Make that $1200...FSC wants three hundred per site).

I haven't heard the ACLU say anything about this, so that is a waste of your money.

The Feds do not usually try and prosecute laws that are injoined, so even if you are not a member it will help.

I'm getting really sick of people getting so divided and so fucking cheap when this is such a big issue.

If you don't want to get behind the FSC, then don't. If it wasn't for them, we would all just be scrambling to get our paperwork together waiting for the deadline to expire on the 23rd.

If this (your) business is shut down by 2257 then I truely believe you (we) deserve it.

domweb · 2005-05-31, 12:26 AM

First off, I didn't say the ACLU was going to weigh in on this. However, they defend non-members if they believe the government is assaulting the principles of their charter. They don't require you to carry their membership card to benefit from their services. They likely won't go near 2257, but at least they don't muscle people last minute on membership fees.

Second of all, I believe the FSC is a NON-PROFIT institution. Am I wrong? Non-profits muscling for pay like a private lawyer is bullshit.

Thirdly, I have never had a problem paying lawyers or anyone else for their services, so don't lump me in with penny pinching freeloaders. I have paid out over three thousand in the last three years for private and business lawyers fees. Another $1500 was paid last week.

I do take offense at a non-profit acting like a for-profit institution. If they aren't a non-profit, then I am wrong. If they ARE a non-profit don't make excuses for them wanting to make extra coin. If they wanted to make it all about the money, they should have gone into private practice and pay the same tax rate as any other bunch of lawyers.

domweb · 2005-05-31, 12:30 AM

I just double checked the FSC's website. They claim to be a mix of non-profit and for profit institutions.

If you want to make it about the cash...pull the non-profit from your tax status.

The Red Cross is non-profit to. Perhaps they will just not help out folks who didn't contribute to them?

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

babymaker · 2005-05-31, 01:48 AM

i think the ACLU would love this case, i was involved in a federal ACLU lawsuit along time ago and they were great. I called my local office saturday and left a message hope to hear from them soon. when i was involved in the 1st amendment federal lawsuit they took care of everything and didnt ask us for a cent we had a huge top law firm etc and we won. I went to FSC's website i didn't see any prices, do you have to call to get them? p.s. it is a dotcom not a dotorg so i asumed they were for profit.

Greenguy · 2005-05-31, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Personally, I think they will start with some of the extreme producers first on an obsenity case, but will use 2257 as a backup.

Aren't they already doing that with the Extreme Associates thing?

And I'm still wondering exactly what I copped out on |confused|

If I wasn't a member of the FSC, then you could call that a cop out.

If I wasn't linking to them in my sig (it rotates) then you could call that a cop out.

But me being concerned that my name is on a list that the DOJ might see - that's a cop out?

Qon · 2005-05-31, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by domweb

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

ummmm... i sorta understand where u r coming from but i think u r looking at it the wrong way. these cats have clients but everything they do (including actions outside of the scope of client billing) costs $$$. i don't mind throwing a couple hundred dollars their way to help them. that's the whole point... its not like they r trying to make a fortune or demand a certain amount.

i know all about how much profit is in "non-profit" so that classification in itself means nothing. if you don't want to send'em some dough... DON'T. plain & simple.

...

SirMoby · 2005-05-31, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by domweb

Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are?

It seems you are confusing non-profit with charity work. The two have nothing in common.

It seems you don't want to donate to the cause and that's your choice. Why bitch about the situation when others are going to pay your way for you? Come on, you're getting a free ride so what's to bitch about?

guitar riff · 2005-05-31, 10:05 AM

Ok Everyone Should Go Out and Just Hire a Lawyer and be Done with it let them and the FSC and the ACLU do their shit.

And just and FYI its good to get a lawyer for yourself in this matter anyhow because it is illegal in a shitload of counties to posess porn if they want to be Pricks they will. once you post your name and address on your sites for records inspection. Lets say for example the mayor needs to get of wanking before lunch so he surfs your site and sees your a hometown porn pusher well Golly Gee Jester theres a hometown boy we can get some money from and we can house him in our new All expense paid secure facility with bubba. And he will explain how he found you was by some anonymous tip.

Alot of people didn't think about this I bet. Check Your Local Statutes and see if porn is actually illegal to posess or redistribute in your county or town. Because is easy now to hide but when you have to post the info it wont be easy anymore.

For Example I live in the Keystone and this county it is legal but in the next county it's not.

RawAlex · 2005-05-31, 12:03 PM

GR: You are spotting what is the biggest danger to individual porn webmasters: Local, county and state ordinances against porn or porn related businesses. I am confident that with the DOJ requiring secondard producers to identify themselves, and indentify their locations, that this information will be used to apply those laws.

How many porn webmasters live in an area with a "no adult buisness within 1000 yards of a school" law? Clark County (home of las vegas) has very restrictive rules on sex businesses... if I lived and worked from home there, I would be concerned that this could happen.

If I was operating in New York City, I would have the same fear. The Mayor there has successfully used zoning laws to move all the porn out of times square. Do you think it might apply to you too?

It's not fun.

Alex

PS: Just for bill: federal butt slamming prison!

Cleo · 2005-05-31, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

PS: Just for bill: federal butt slamming prison!

They don't do a lot of butt slamming in woman's prisons.

stuveltje · 2005-05-31, 12:42 PM

i am gonna bullshit talk here, in holland we have freedom of speeche, now that whole 2257 thing is driving me nuts i am just from yesterday back on the net and i have the feeling i was away for years, oh yeah i dont mind to donate to the thing xxxjay is talking about, now my thinking and believe me they wont do it, do you realy think the us goverment will go after the small webmasters first? if they are realy going for that new 2257 wouldnt it be easier to type porn in google ses and look what pops up first, believe me it are not the small webmasters, now the foreign webmasters even they use us host and sponsors, it will cost huge money to go after them, yeah right i have to exepct someone from us law at my door in holland to say hey, you are not by the us rules! it will cost the us millions, and geuss what those foreign webmasters will have it that way that the us wont manage to get money from us, we are not stupid ( well some of us are not) do i care about the new 2257, yes i do , do i wanna play by the rules ? yes i do, but does that mean i have to join FSC...well i wont mind that, but saying FSC will only speak for those who have joined FSC is bullshit, that is calling ....getting members, and if i have insulting someone by saying this ..i am sorry, but thats how i see it. and yes i can also see the other side....alot will wait what FSC will manage to do that by the people who surporting them.......so i can see 2 ways..Hey i told you i would talk bullshit in this post..........i need to review now

Cleo · 2005-05-31, 12:51 PM

Maybe I'll move in with Stu…

guitar riff · 2005-05-31, 01:04 PM

LOL Cleo For Women They Have a HAven for Women and ya get Lodged with a Big Bull Dyke Named DORA and she has more facial hair than most men.

LOL no joke I used to work in a female Pen and I worked with some high profile women. Diane Downs to name one could have spit in that bithes child killing face but Didnt because of regs. Ilove how TV made her like she was pretty and all but that bitch is BUTT UGLY . Anyhow you'd be surprised the stuff yoou see and hear in a female pen. It was nothing to get offered Blowjobs everyday,and they always wanted to buy whole bananas and pickles, cucumbers for 10 bucks each Damn I wish I was Joe Grocer then I could have made a Killling.

stuveltje · 2005-05-31, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

Maybe I'll move in with Stu…

hahhaa Hyaaaaa cleo good to see you again, and yep its great to be nuts

mrMagoo · 2005-05-31, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by guitar riff

Anyhow you'd be surprised the stuff yoou see and hear in a female pen. It was nothing to get offered Blowjobs everyday,and they always wanted to buy whole bananas and pickles, cucumbers for 10 bucks each Damn I wish I was Joe Grocer then I could have made a Killling.

Heck, if I've got to go to jail, not passing go, can I get boob implants and claim to be a tranny and go to the female jail?

Cleo · 2005-05-31, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrMagoo

Heck, if I've got to go to jail, not passing go, can I get boob implants and claim to be a tranny and go to the female jail?

I think you would need to change something besides your chest since it's genitals that determine which jail you get sent to.

mrMagoo · 2005-05-31, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

I think you would need to change something besides your chest since it's genitals that determine which jail you get sent to.

Oh darn it

lassiter · 2005-05-31, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

Aren't they already doing that with the Extreme Associates thing?

Yep. I think the whole new 2257 flap is about the fact that the feds are very very scared to bring content-based obscenity prosecutions now, since, as the Extreme case showed, even a "conservative" district may find certain content "not obscene" thereby creating a bad precedent (from the feds viewpoint) for future prosecutions.

Whereas, the 2257 scheme is a "regulation," not a law, and therefore will be civil prosecution, not criminal. Under civil prosecution, the criterion is merely "preponderance of the evidence" so one cannot use the 1st amendment as a defense - the only question a lawyer can defend on or a jury can rule on is "was the webmaster in compliance with the written rules or not?" It's a much easier prosecution from the government's point of view, since ambiguous and flexible definitions like "what is obscenity" don't have to enter into the case. If your records aren't in order or you aren't home when the feds knock, you are automatically guilty without a judge or jury having to judge the content as obscene or not.

2005-05-29, 01:36 PM	#26
Boogie I like to blog :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,050	SirMoby nails it. They're lawyers and at their base they're a business designed to make money. They're wanting to make money off you. But who fucking cares? They're performing a service no one else in this country wants to perform for you. If it costs you some coin that's the way it rolls. __________________ I got a porn blog! Got a blog worth linking to? Contact me

2005-05-31, 12:26 AM	#31
domweb I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: May 2004 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 85	First off, I didn't say the ACLU was going to weigh in on this. However, they defend non-members if they believe the government is assaulting the principles of their charter. They don't require you to carry their membership card to benefit from their services. They likely won't go near 2257, but at least they don't muscle people last minute on membership fees. Second of all, I believe the FSC is a NON-PROFIT institution. Am I wrong? Non-profits muscling for pay like a private lawyer is bullshit. Thirdly, I have never had a problem paying lawyers or anyone else for their services, so don't lump me in with penny pinching freeloaders. I have paid out over three thousand in the last three years for private and business lawyers fees. Another $1500 was paid last week. I do take offense at a non-profit acting like a for-profit institution. If they aren't a non-profit, then I am wrong. If they ARE a non-profit don't make excuses for them wanting to make extra coin. If they wanted to make it all about the money, they should have gone into private practice and pay the same tax rate as any other bunch of lawyers. __________________ gender enigma relaunching July 17. 2009...ish

2005-05-31, 12:30 AM	#32
domweb I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: May 2004 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 85	I just double checked the FSC's website. They claim to be a mix of non-profit and for profit institutions. If you want to make it about the cash...pull the non-profit from your tax status. The Red Cross is non-profit to. Perhaps they will just not help out folks who didn't contribute to them? Or is it that you just don't understand what non-profit institutions are? __________________ gender enigma relaunching July 17. 2009...ish

2005-05-31, 01:48 AM	#33
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	i think the ACLU would love this case, i was involved in a federal ACLU lawsuit along time ago and they were great. I called my local office saturday and left a message hope to hear from them soon. when i was involved in the 1st amendment federal lawsuit they took care of everything and didnt ask us for a cent we had a huge top law firm etc and we won. I went to FSC's website i didn't see any prices, do you have to call to get them? p.s. it is a dotcom not a dotorg so i asumed they were for profit. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-05-31, 10:05 AM	#37
guitar riff Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In a van Down by the river. Posts: 216	Ok Everyone Should Go Out and Just Hire a Lawyer and be Done with it let them and the FSC and the ACLU do their shit. And just and FYI its good to get a lawyer for yourself in this matter anyhow because it is illegal in a shitload of counties to posess porn if they want to be Pricks they will. once you post your name and address on your sites for records inspection. Lets say for example the mayor needs to get of wanking before lunch so he surfs your site and sees your a hometown porn pusher well Golly Gee Jester theres a hometown boy we can get some money from and we can house him in our new All expense paid secure facility with bubba. And he will explain how he found you was by some anonymous tip. Alot of people didn't think about this I bet. Check Your Local Statutes and see if porn is actually illegal to posess or redistribute in your county or town. Because is easy now to hide but when you have to post the info it wont be easy anymore. For Example I live in the Keystone and this county it is legal but in the next county it's not. __________________ Join The Rage!!!

2005-05-31, 12:03 PM	#38
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	GR: You are spotting what is the biggest danger to individual porn webmasters: Local, county and state ordinances against porn or porn related businesses. I am confident that with the DOJ requiring secondard producers to identify themselves, and indentify their locations, that this information will be used to apply those laws. How many porn webmasters live in an area with a "no adult buisness within 1000 yards of a school" law? Clark County (home of las vegas) has very restrictive rules on sex businesses... if I lived and worked from home there, I would be concerned that this could happen. If I was operating in New York City, I would have the same fear. The Mayor there has successfully used zoning laws to move all the porn out of times square. Do you think it might apply to you too? It's not fun. Alex PS: Just for bill: federal butt slamming prison!

2005-05-31, 12:42 PM	#40
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	i am gonna bullshit talk here, in holland we have freedom of speeche, now that whole 2257 thing is driving me nuts i am just from yesterday back on the net and i have the feeling i was away for years, oh yeah i dont mind to donate to the thing xxxjay is talking about, now my thinking and believe me they wont do it, do you realy think the us goverment will go after the small webmasters first? if they are realy going for that new 2257 wouldnt it be easier to type porn in google ses and look what pops up first, believe me it are not the small webmasters, now the foreign webmasters even they use us host and sponsors, it will cost huge money to go after them, yeah right i have to exepct someone from us law at my door in holland to say hey, you are not by the us rules! it will cost the us millions, and geuss what those foreign webmasters will have it that way that the us wont manage to get money from us, we are not stupid ( well some of us are not) do i care about the new 2257, yes i do , do i wanna play by the rules ? yes i do, but does that mean i have to join FSC...well i wont mind that, but saying FSC will only speak for those who have joined FSC is bullshit, that is calling ....getting members, and if i have insulting someone by saying this ..i am sorry, but thats how i see it. and yes i can also see the other side....alot will wait what FSC will manage to do that by the people who surporting them.......so i can see 2 ways..Hey i told you i would talk bullshit in this post..........i need to review now __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2005-05-31, 12:51 PM	#41
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2005-05-31, 01:04 PM	#42
guitar riff Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In a van Down by the river. Posts: 216	LOL Cleo For Women They Have a HAven for Women and ya get Lodged with a Big Bull Dyke Named DORA and she has more facial hair than most men. LOL no joke I used to work in a female Pen and I worked with some high profile women. Diane Downs to name one could have spit in that bithes child killing face but Didnt because of regs. Ilove how TV made her like she was pretty and all but that bitch is BUTT UGLY . Anyhow you'd be surprised the stuff yoou see and hear in a female pen. It was nothing to get offered Blowjobs everyday,and they always wanted to buy whole bananas and pickles, cucumbers for 10 bucks each Damn I wish I was Joe Grocer then I could have made a Killling. __________________ Join The Rage!!!