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RawAlex · 2005-05-31, 11:11 PM

Gunncat, to be fair, I think that this is a better route to go than some of the other options the US government has to control porn, such as insane taxes, bizarre distribution restrictions, or some other massive meddle.

I think the one that is getting most people is the requirement to reveal their names, addresses, and such. Most people are comforable working in porn, they are comfortable with the content, but they are not comfortable with people around them knowing what they do. They don't want to expose their children, spouse, or others to the pain that could occur if anything bad happens. Many of them also know that in more conservative places, they might literally be run out of town.

That is the nature of this business, and it doesn't get easier.

We have all gotten off easy in the past, now it's time to pay the piper. We all lived in a fantasy land where we can be dirty pornographers at night, and on the PTA and coaching out kids' soccer team on the weekend. Once your neighbors know, I somehow think that all goes away.

Do you understand how fiendish the government plan is? Do you see how it is hard to stop?

They have gone too far, but not in the ways your thinking.

Alex

GunnCat · 2005-06-01, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gunncat, to be fair, I think that this is a better route to go than some of the other options the US government has to control porn, such as insane taxes, bizarre distribution restrictions, or some other massive meddle.

I think the one that is getting most people is the requirement to reveal their names, addresses, and such. Most people are comforable working in porn, they are comfortable with the content, but they are not comfortable with people around them knowing what they do. They don't want to expose their children, spouse, or others to the pain that could occur if anything bad happens. Many of them also know that in more conservative places, they might literally be run out of town.

That is the nature of this business, and it doesn't get easier.

We have all gotten off easy in the past, now it's time to pay the piper. We all lived in a fantasy land where we can be dirty pornographers at night, and on the PTA and coaching out kids' soccer team on the weekend. Once your neighbors know, I somehow think that all goes away.

Do you understand how fiendish the government plan is? Do you see how it is hard to stop?

They have gone too far, but not in the ways your thinking.

Alex

For sure man. I'm still in a state of shock really. My biggest concern is not my paysites, although some of those great content deals I got in the last 2 years don't seem so great now

; but the sponsor content I use. I don't have any problems buying content for promotion, I have houndreds of thousands of images I can use already, but I select my sponsors based on the unique content and quality of it.
We live in interesting times really, it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of years.

2005-06-01, 03:20 AM

I agree with Alex, there are people in this business who have no right to be here and will be gone.

The real problem I have with this law is the revealing of models IDs, not webmasters. Webmasters have an option they can shut up shop. models have less of an option becasue I hear some sponsors want to distribute models IDs for content they already have. The model according to them has no say in the matter.

So long as models do not refuse to work for us, this law will not cost the industry one dime in revenue earned. No surfer will stop paying money for porn, in fact if it redduces the free porn available then it could mean more money earned. The content pirates could have a big problem with this law.

For some this law is the realisation that this is a business and not a game. If you do not want the neighbors to know you publish porn close down or get a legal front. But give the models, the life blood of this industry, the same respect.

At last we can see content is KING.

wesley · 2005-06-01, 03:53 AM

I have heard said many times that if you are a non US person, example canadian that thse rules will still apply if you use US hosting, well here is my 2 cents on this;

first there has already been several court cases in the US that tried to make hosting companies responsible for what those using their hosting has used it for, with all being turned down, this is like trying to make your local phone company responsible because someone makes prank calls

secondly, some US states have no phone soliciting laws, what did this do? the companies now call out of canada, using US phone infastructure to deliver the sales pitch through, so to say that because we are selling to the US we must comply doesn't wash

as a producer of videos also, yes this will effect me if I use a distributor in the US that makes copies in the US but as a webmaster no, exept for those link sites who will over react and try to enforce on me US rules that do not apply to non US people

As to cull the field; for sure it will, but only in the US, you'll now get swamped with newbie webmasters from everywhere else but US, think about that for a minute, these new rules haven't fixed a problem, just moved things offshore

those LL sites that enforce these rules on non US websites will find themselves only primarily with US created sites, other LL will spring up built and hosted outside US, listing stuff as has been, after all these rules don't touch the buyer, who can buy from non US sites, so in the end this might shift a lot of the money out of the US

Just my thoughts......

rollergirl · 2005-06-01, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

I agree with Alex, there are people in this business who have no right to be here and will be gone.

The real problem I have with this law is the revealing of models IDs, not webmasters. Webmasters have an option they can shut up shop. models have less of an option becasue I hear some sponsors want to distribute models IDs for content they already have. The model according to them has no say in the matter.

So long as models do not refuse to work for us, this law will not cost the industry one dime in revenue earned. No surfer will stop paying money for porn, in fact if it redduces the free porn available then it could mean more money earned. The content pirates could have a big problem with this law.

For some this law is the realisation that this is a business and not a game. If you do not want the neighbors to know you publish porn close down or get a legal front. But give the models, the life blood of this industry, the same respect.

At last we can see content is KING.

Many of these webmasters you'd like to see go down are your customers.

I think everyone is concerned about the safety of those working in our LEGAL business, not just models.

2005-06-02, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rollergirl

Many of these webmasters you'd like to see go down are your customers.

I think everyone is concerned about the safety of those working in our LEGAL business, not just models.

Well as customers they will have the documents required. But yes some will decide this is not worth it and leave and for them on a personal level I'm sad. But this is business not a social club.

I have the responsibility of paying the 9 people who work for me and this is what I'm trying to do.

I'm also concerned about webmasters safety and models. Never said otherwise.

Steve · 2005-06-01, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

If you do not want the neighbors to know you publish porn close down or get a legal front.

You have a point. The real protection against neighbors and friends knowing that you are in porn is to get a legal front with a business name and address. When I started six years I set up a legal business name and address before I uploaded my first porn page. I've never given any host,sponsor,content provider etc. my home address. You have to treat adult entertainment like any other business and invest some money upfront.

Steve

Wenchy · 2005-06-01, 08:23 PM

It's not my neighbors I worry about... it's stalkers, sickos, pissed off wives, and all the other psycho/sociopaths out there.

Add to that the fact that I have been running a legitimate business out of my home for over 10 years in the other field I work in and NEVER has anyone come to me and said that I had to publish my personal, private information out in the open just to be considered an honest businesswoman. Hell, even the IRS takes me at my word AND accepts my PO Box as my valid business address!

Next you'll all be suggesting that anyone who runs a net-based business, adult or mainstream, should get an office... stop and think about what you are suggesting for a minute. How many people ON THIS BOARD got into this business because one of the primary perks was being able to work at home?

It's not a crime to work at home, but what they are proposing as far as publishing names and addresses for models and WMs alike... well, I have my suspicions that borders on being illegal. We do have privacy rights in this country and I don't believe the DOJ or anyone else has the right to violate those for something as ridiculous as bogus bookkeeping issues.

Go ahead and flame me if you want to, I'm frankly beyond caring. I'm entitled to my opinion and now you've been entitled to it as well

rollergirl · 2005-06-01, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wenchy

It's not my neighbors I worry about... it's stalkers, sickos, pissed off wives, and all the other psycho/sociopaths out there.

Add to that the fact that I have been running a legitimate business out of my home for over 10 years in the other field I work in and NEVER has anyone come to me and said that I had to publish my personal, private information out in the open just to be considered an honest businesswoman. Hell, even the IRS takes me at my word AND accepts my PO Box as my valid business address!

Next you'll all be suggesting that anyone who runs a net-based business, adult or mainstream, should get an office... stop and think about what you are suggesting for a minute. How many people ON THIS BOARD got into this business because one of the primary perks was being able to work at home?

It's not a crime to work at home, but what they are proposing as far as publishing names and addresses for models and WMs alike... well, I have my suspicions that borders on being illegal. We do have privacy rights in this country and I don't believe the DOJ or anyone else has the right to violate those for something as ridiculous as bogus bookkeeping issues.

Go ahead and flame me if you want to, I'm frankly beyond caring. I'm entitled to my opinion and now you've been entitled to it as well

So well put.

2005-06-01, 03:53 AM	#4
wesley Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 20	canadian I have heard said many times that if you are a non US person, example canadian that thse rules will still apply if you use US hosting, well here is my 2 cents on this; first there has already been several court cases in the US that tried to make hosting companies responsible for what those using their hosting has used it for, with all being turned down, this is like trying to make your local phone company responsible because someone makes prank calls secondly, some US states have no phone soliciting laws, what did this do? the companies now call out of canada, using US phone infastructure to deliver the sales pitch through, so to say that because we are selling to the US we must comply doesn't wash as a producer of videos also, yes this will effect me if I use a distributor in the US that makes copies in the US but as a webmaster no, exept for those link sites who will over react and try to enforce on me US rules that do not apply to non US people As to cull the field; for sure it will, but only in the US, you'll now get swamped with newbie webmasters from everywhere else but US, think about that for a minute, these new rules haven't fixed a problem, just moved things offshore those LL sites that enforce these rules on non US websites will find themselves only primarily with US created sites, other LL will spring up built and hosted outside US, listing stuff as has been, after all these rules don't touch the buyer, who can buy from non US sites, so in the end this might shift a lot of the money out of the US Just my thoughts......

2005-06-01, 08:23 PM	#8
Wenchy Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mile High City Posts: 120	It's not my neighbors I worry about... it's stalkers, sickos, pissed off wives, and all the other psycho/sociopaths out there. Add to that the fact that I have been running a legitimate business out of my home for over 10 years in the other field I work in and NEVER has anyone come to me and said that I had to publish my personal, private information out in the open just to be considered an honest businesswoman. Hell, even the IRS takes me at my word AND accepts my PO Box as my valid business address! Next you'll all be suggesting that anyone who runs a net-based business, adult or mainstream, should get an office... stop and think about what you are suggesting for a minute. How many people ON THIS BOARD got into this business because one of the primary perks was being able to work at home? It's not a crime to work at home, but what they are proposing as far as publishing names and addresses for models and WMs alike... well, I have my suspicions that borders on being illegal. We do have privacy rights in this country and I don't believe the DOJ or anyone else has the right to violate those for something as ridiculous as bogus bookkeeping issues. Go ahead and flame me if you want to, I'm frankly beyond caring. I'm entitled to my opinion and now you've been entitled to it as well __________________ I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

2005-05-31, 11:11 PM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Gunncat, to be fair, I think that this is a better route to go than some of the other options the US government has to control porn, such as insane taxes, bizarre distribution restrictions, or some other massive meddle. I think the one that is getting most people is the requirement to reveal their names, addresses, and such. Most people are comforable working in porn, they are comfortable with the content, but they are not comfortable with people around them knowing what they do. They don't want to expose their children, spouse, or others to the pain that could occur if anything bad happens. Many of them also know that in more conservative places, they might literally be run out of town. That is the nature of this business, and it doesn't get easier. We have all gotten off easy in the past, now it's time to pay the piper. We all lived in a fantasy land where we can be dirty pornographers at night, and on the PTA and coaching out kids' soccer team on the weekend. Once your neighbors know, I somehow think that all goes away. Do you understand how fiendish the government plan is? Do you see how it is hard to stop? They have gone too far, but not in the ways your thinking. Alex

2005-06-01, 03:20 AM	#3
Paul Markham2 Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Alex, there are people in this business who have no right to be here and will be gone. The real problem I have with this law is the revealing of models IDs, not webmasters. Webmasters have an option they can shut up shop. models have less of an option becasue I hear some sponsors want to distribute models IDs for content they already have. The model according to them has no say in the matter. So long as models do not refuse to work for us, this law will not cost the industry one dime in revenue earned. No surfer will stop paying money for porn, in fact if it redduces the free porn available then it could mean more money earned. The content pirates could have a big problem with this law. For some this law is the realisation that this is a business and not a game. If you do not want the neighbors to know you publish porn close down or get a legal front. But give the models, the life blood of this industry, the same respect. At last we can see content is KING.