The shitstorm scenario of 2257

lassiter · 2005-06-17, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Don't you understand the point of the new 2257 rules?

They are designed to have the porn business drive itself out of business.

A well-stated analysis, Alex. A lot of folks are criticizing the perceived "illogical" aspects of the new regs and are not understanding that they are rooted in a ruthless ideological "war on porn" attitude on the part of the fundamentalist nutballs in the administration. They aren't supposed to make sense, and they aren't really supposed to be "complied with." The regs have been drawn up precisely to shut down the industry to the largest degree possible, by putting the major squeeze on the talent, the producers, and the affiliates. Much easier and more effective than the expensive, old-time "obscenity" prosecutions, that even conservative juries are not going along with anymore.

Now whether it will actually work or not is still an open question (and we all hope the FSC and allies can expose the scheme for what it is and get it nullified), but no one should be in denial about the actual intent of the perpetrators. If talent gets stalked or raped, "they deserved it." IF webmasters get picketed or harrassed, ditto. It's our just punishment for not repenting and accepting the Lord Jeezus into our lives according to the gospel of Jerry Falwell, etc.

PhoneSexChick · 2005-06-17, 12:26 PM

Hi everyone,

::official delurk::

I've been reading the threads on 2257 for quite some time, and finally decided it's time to offer a different perspective.

I started out back in about 97 or 98 doing BDSM sites, for fun, because I'm into it in real life. It was more or less a blog, before blogs existed, with info about BDSM, etc. Then I threw up a gallery of pics (I thought "public domain" but now I realize they were just plain stolen and swapped around) and somehow one of the links lists found them, and my traffic went nuts. (I was using Tripod, LOL) So I threw up some Amazon books and made a few bucks. Then added a couple of sponsors and made more. It was just pocket money, but I saw the potential.

In my other life, I am self employed and make a fair living, though occasionally there are dry spots. This adult sideline began to fill in the gaps, plus give me a little seed money. I bought some domains, and even started a bondage pay site. It did pretty well, but since it was just a sideline thing, it never grew into my main source of income. It was just me and my computer, and I was buying content legally.

Then the new Visa rules hit, things had slowed down some, and I didn't want to shell out 3 grand to the processors. At that time, I accidentally stumbled into the phone sex world. It's been a cash cow for me, though it's still not my main source of income. In reality, I could probably give up my other work, do phone sex full time and at least triple my income. But I like my other work, so it's still part time.

Now I'm using my domains to promote my phone sex. Since I keep my regular life and phone sex life separate, I use bought content for my characters. It's my voice, but model pics.

It's all been pretty smooth sailing, plus it's fun to do! Along the way, I've met (virtually) a number of other phone sex workers who are fantastic people.

So that's my background...now onto my perspective on 2257:

My content is legal, and I've got all the paperwork and even the IDs (the content I've bought has always come with it). The record keeping that the feds seem to want is a huge pain in the ass, with cross referencing and all of that.

The problem is this: putting my real name and home address on my 2257 statements. It's total bullshit and there is no possible way I'll be doing that. Here's why:

Some of these phone sex guys think it's a dating service and they want to hook up in real life. Some of them think they're in love. A tiny minority of them are stalker types. I've had two guys so far fall into a spooky area. They've checked the whois info on my domains (where I used a PO box of a male friend - his box was an old one he rarely used, and was located about 1500 miles from me) and said things like "Where in Maine do you live?" I've since switched to private registrations. Another guy tried to surprise me by flying to the fake town in which I supposedly lived and wanted to buy me an expensive gift. I've gotten other gifts, but most are paid cash through the system. The few real items, I've taken steps to hide my location. This guy started out claiming he was going to have the gift shipped to my "home," but it became apparent he wanted to purchase the gift at a department store and I should go pick it up. It was obvious that he thought I would be stupid enough to go to that store, and then he'd surprise me. Uh huh. (I got the gift, but only because I badgered him into sending me the CASH through the system)

I'm already tied to my websites through my phone sex characters, because I sell galleries of "me" to the guys, and they go to the sites to view the pics. Even if I stop that and use another system to sell the galleries, a lot of guys know my sites. Imagine the one or two nutballs if I put my friggin home address (not to mention real name) on the site. Good god.

Most of the guys are decent and know it's all fantasy, but there are always a couple of them that think it's real life, and that because they've spent some money, you belong to them. It's that handful of guys that makes it impossible to put my personal info on my sites. Period.

(Sorry this is turning into such a long post...I'm making up for all the reading and not posting I've done.)

Now, my hope is that there will be an injunction issued, but the reality is that this administration is hellbent on stamping out porn. La-di-da. Even if a TRO is issued, changes are here, and the feds will adapt. My first instinct was to yank everything down. (I didn't, but I thought about it) What I'm doing is going softcore. The one problem I have is that I like doing free galleries to drive some traffic, and because I know BDSM, that's what I do. (My phone sex characters are into BDSM as well and that's how I market them.) I don't do any other niches, just BDSM. Obviously this kind of stuff is problematic, so I haven't come up with a solution yet, other than softcore stuff in a lot of leather and latex. Then I can do a 2257 statement on why I'm exempt.

The other problem with real name/address....the last thing I need is for someone to google my real name and come up with my adult sites. Jesus. My two lives are totally separate. But what a great way for the feds to try and drive a number of people out of business by forcing them to go public with what they do on the side (or those who do it full time, but the church and family don't know)! There are a lot of phone sex workers just like me who keep it secret.

I know it's been said a million times already, but the new regs totally blow. And not in the good way.

PhoneSexChick

rollergirl · 2005-06-17, 01:09 PM

Correct, and when the 'liberal courts' deem this unconstitutional the current administration can stand up and say.. "See.. the liberals want your children to be able to access porn". Every possible scenerio will play into the far right wing's game plan.

On the shitstorm issues....I mentioned this earlier but let's not forget about the possibility of selling Maps of the Pornstars on places like EBay. It takes one fragged out webmaster with an ax to grind to release information. We're all assuming surfers are going to be the perps, but there was a pornstar missing a year or so ago and they charged her photographer for the murder.

How many times has anyone in this biz been scammed by another webmaster or 'company'? There are unsavory people in all aspects of business and the law of averages says that if a content provider has to turn over model's personal info over to the countless web masters who''ve ever purchased.. not everyone will be trustworthy. And really, what kind of screening could a person do online to verify if a webmaster is not going to misuse the ids' now or ever. If screening was a perfect solution, none of us would have a "I was ripped off" story to tell. I'll bet you adult webmasters aren't the only ones who have bought adult content.. what about all those pornstar pics that end up in the backs of magazines or on flyers for 900 services. Maybe some of them bought content too. There's too big of a margin for anyone to feel that this will go well.

"Dude, guess what? I got Jenna's home address...wanna see it!!"

Could we predict that no webmasters would ever say that?

Let's just add to the shit storm of loss of privacy of just being able to live your life normally. Worried that the work you do will have you looking over your shoulder every day of your life.

Think about webgirls who've already had their lives ruined, their families humilated, job's lost just because someone recoginzed them. Wouldn't the media love to do a story about the 'PORNOGRAPHERS ON YOUR BLOCK'. I don't know any webgirl who hasn't had at least one incident.

BTW.. one of the id's I got was a model's social security card. There's a whole nother problem brewing there-identity theft maybe???
Not every photographer made the right decision when accepting id's. One drivers license, and one credit card. I've got them in my possesion along with a Sam's club card and a library card as Id. One photographer told me, he let the id's go because he wanted to fuck the model and he always fucks the models after the shoot.

We've got all kinds of issues...

2005-06-17, 12:26 PM	#2
PhoneSexChick Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	Hi everyone, ::official delurk:: I've been reading the threads on 2257 for quite some time, and finally decided it's time to offer a different perspective. I started out back in about 97 or 98 doing BDSM sites, for fun, because I'm into it in real life. It was more or less a blog, before blogs existed, with info about BDSM, etc. Then I threw up a gallery of pics (I thought "public domain" but now I realize they were just plain stolen and swapped around) and somehow one of the links lists found them, and my traffic went nuts. (I was using Tripod, LOL) So I threw up some Amazon books and made a few bucks. Then added a couple of sponsors and made more. It was just pocket money, but I saw the potential. In my other life, I am self employed and make a fair living, though occasionally there are dry spots. This adult sideline began to fill in the gaps, plus give me a little seed money. I bought some domains, and even started a bondage pay site. It did pretty well, but since it was just a sideline thing, it never grew into my main source of income. It was just me and my computer, and I was buying content legally. Then the new Visa rules hit, things had slowed down some, and I didn't want to shell out 3 grand to the processors. At that time, I accidentally stumbled into the phone sex world. It's been a cash cow for me, though it's still not my main source of income. In reality, I could probably give up my other work, do phone sex full time and at least triple my income. But I like my other work, so it's still part time. Now I'm using my domains to promote my phone sex. Since I keep my regular life and phone sex life separate, I use bought content for my characters. It's my voice, but model pics. It's all been pretty smooth sailing, plus it's fun to do! Along the way, I've met (virtually) a number of other phone sex workers who are fantastic people. So that's my background...now onto my perspective on 2257: My content is legal, and I've got all the paperwork and even the IDs (the content I've bought has always come with it). The record keeping that the feds seem to want is a huge pain in the ass, with cross referencing and all of that. The problem is this: putting my real name and home address on my 2257 statements. It's total bullshit and there is no possible way I'll be doing that. Here's why: Some of these phone sex guys think it's a dating service and they want to hook up in real life. Some of them think they're in love. A tiny minority of them are stalker types. I've had two guys so far fall into a spooky area. They've checked the whois info on my domains (where I used a PO box of a male friend - his box was an old one he rarely used, and was located about 1500 miles from me) and said things like "Where in Maine do you live?" I've since switched to private registrations. Another guy tried to surprise me by flying to the fake town in which I supposedly lived and wanted to buy me an expensive gift. I've gotten other gifts, but most are paid cash through the system. The few real items, I've taken steps to hide my location. This guy started out claiming he was going to have the gift shipped to my "home," but it became apparent he wanted to purchase the gift at a department store and I should go pick it up. It was obvious that he thought I would be stupid enough to go to that store, and then he'd surprise me. Uh huh. (I got the gift, but only because I badgered him into sending me the CASH through the system) I'm already tied to my websites through my phone sex characters, because I sell galleries of "me" to the guys, and they go to the sites to view the pics. Even if I stop that and use another system to sell the galleries, a lot of guys know my sites. Imagine the one or two nutballs if I put my friggin home address (not to mention real name) on the site. Good god. Most of the guys are decent and know it's all fantasy, but there are always a couple of them that think it's real life, and that because they've spent some money, you belong to them. It's that handful of guys that makes it impossible to put my personal info on my sites. Period. (Sorry this is turning into such a long post...I'm making up for all the reading and not posting I've done.) Now, my hope is that there will be an injunction issued, but the reality is that this administration is hellbent on stamping out porn. La-di-da. Even if a TRO is issued, changes are here, and the feds will adapt. My first instinct was to yank everything down. (I didn't, but I thought about it) What I'm doing is going softcore. The one problem I have is that I like doing free galleries to drive some traffic, and because I know BDSM, that's what I do. (My phone sex characters are into BDSM as well and that's how I market them.) I don't do any other niches, just BDSM. Obviously this kind of stuff is problematic, so I haven't come up with a solution yet, other than softcore stuff in a lot of leather and latex. Then I can do a 2257 statement on why I'm exempt. The other problem with real name/address....the last thing I need is for someone to google my real name and come up with my adult sites. Jesus. My two lives are totally separate. But what a great way for the feds to try and drive a number of people out of business by forcing them to go public with what they do on the side (or those who do it full time, but the church and family don't know)! There are a lot of phone sex workers just like me who keep it secret. I know it's been said a million times already, but the new regs totally blow. And not in the good way. PhoneSexChick

2005-06-17, 01:09 PM	#3
rollergirl I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 82	Correct, and when the 'liberal courts' deem this unconstitutional the current administration can stand up and say.. "See.. the liberals want your children to be able to access porn". Every possible scenerio will play into the far right wing's game plan. On the shitstorm issues....I mentioned this earlier but let's not forget about the possibility of selling Maps of the Pornstars on places like EBay. It takes one fragged out webmaster with an ax to grind to release information. We're all assuming surfers are going to be the perps, but there was a pornstar missing a year or so ago and they charged her photographer for the murder. How many times has anyone in this biz been scammed by another webmaster or 'company'? There are unsavory people in all aspects of business and the law of averages says that if a content provider has to turn over model's personal info over to the countless web masters who''ve ever purchased.. not everyone will be trustworthy. And really, what kind of screening could a person do online to verify if a webmaster is not going to misuse the ids' now or ever. If screening was a perfect solution, none of us would have a "I was ripped off" story to tell. I'll bet you adult webmasters aren't the only ones who have bought adult content.. what about all those pornstar pics that end up in the backs of magazines or on flyers for 900 services. Maybe some of them bought content too. There's too big of a margin for anyone to feel that this will go well. "Dude, guess what? I got Jenna's home address...wanna see it!!" Could we predict that no webmasters would ever say that? Let's just add to the shit storm of loss of privacy of just being able to live your life normally. Worried that the work you do will have you looking over your shoulder every day of your life. Think about webgirls who've already had their lives ruined, their families humilated, job's lost just because someone recoginzed them. Wouldn't the media love to do a story about the 'PORNOGRAPHERS ON YOUR BLOCK'. I don't know any webgirl who hasn't had at least one incident. BTW.. one of the id's I got was a model's social security card. There's a whole nother problem brewing there-identity theft maybe??? Not every photographer made the right decision when accepting id's. One drivers license, and one credit card. I've got them in my possesion along with a Sam's club card and a library card as Id. One photographer told me, he let the id's go because he wanted to fuck the model and he always fucks the models after the shoot. We've got all kinds of issues...