How I think I screwed myself - newbie experience

[SortLinks]

may be the reason was your pages (where they recips are) isnt static?
http://www.calgarymodels.com/index.p...&id=6&Itemid=3

if you are willing to add link to sortlinks.com or to other sites in my sig on
http://www.calgarymodels.com/ (or nice static page)
I would be grateful and 'll list your site

[Halfdeck]

Hi CalModels,

I would strongly recommend reading more threads in this Newbie section, specifically about free sites. It's tempting to ask a ton of questions and be showered with silver-bullet answers from the adult webmaster gods...All the information you need to make money is already here, you just have to do a little digging around so you can save yourself and others time.

The term "free sites" have very little to do with a site being free. The term refers to a specificly structured site made up of 4 pages: index.html, main.html, gallery1.html, gallery2.html. For more info, you can run a search here for "Free sites," or cruise over to Link-o-rama.com and look around at tons of free sites there. You can also check out one of my old free sites here.

Free sites aren't the only way to make money in this biz but they'll teach you about building traffic and other webmastering fundamentals so I would recommend you at least giving it a try for a few months.

In terms of getting traffic:

First, I would stop spamming newsgroups.

Second, I would SE optimize the site and do some linktrades with other site owners to get some traffic from Google/Yahoo.

Thirdly, if your goal is to sell paysites like First Time Videos, etc, I would build free sites, or TGP galleries instead of just slamming a banner on your page. If you're getting decent pornstar traffic already, a banner might work, but otherwise expect it to just sit there.

I'm not sure what you're trying to make money with. Are you hoping to turn your lingerie site into a paysite eventually? Are you using the lingerie pics to just get people to click on your banners?

If you're planning to turn it into a paysite, I would remove all of the banners.

If your goal is to have people click on your banners... then I would still remove most of the banners because they're not effective without decent amount of relevant traffic and to build that traffic, you're better off building free sites or galleries for a particular paysite you're trying to sell.

[reb]

Hey ther CalModels
Welcome to world of being a newbee.
I jumped onto this stuff headfirst myself without having a clue what I was doing. Been searching the forums and like this one the best.
Traffic as I can see is a never ending battle but I'm hoping to learn from the people that know what they are doing in this forum.
I get to Calgary quite a bit in the winter. Maybe we can get together for a beer sometime.

[CalModels]

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated..

SortLinks,

problem is, I am running the site on a CMS and the actual content is dynamic... there are a couple of ways to make the link itself appear more SE friendly, but it will still end up looking like http://www.calgarymodels.com/com_content/3/4/ or something like that... would link list owners accept that? Basically at the end of the day it will still be a dynamic URL its just a matter of getting Apache to rewrite the URL at runtime... I have been planning to work on that anyway when I got some time, I guess now I have to make it a priority??

Halfdeck,

first is already done. I felt really bad when it did do it, and I have stopped, cuz I figure it will backfire if I overdo it... Second, the SE's are crawling the website like nuts pretty much every day, infact Yahoo was the first to crawl and on average I am getting about 250 unique visitors a day and pretty much all of them are from Yahoo (google listing does not show up yet)... about number three, what I was looking for is to use the pictures I have as the draw for the site, and then hopefully someone clicks on the banners and buys something... I do not have intentions to make this a paysite at any point, my custom content will always be free to view (except for the topless pictures which will need a free registration) and the hope was people come for the content and possibly click on the sponsors... surprisingly enough, with 250 visitors a day I am still getting atleast one sale a day (all different sponsors there is no consistency) and from reading the other threads, that really good apparently for the amount of traffic I have?

reb,

that would be great.. let me know the next time you plan on being here and we can grab a cold one...

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by CalModels

surprisingly enough, with 250 visitors a day I am still getting atleast one sale a day (all different sponsors there is no consistency) and from reading the other threads, that really good apparently for the amount of traffic I have?

Obviously you're doing something right! If you can figure out exactly what the formula is and add some volume to it you've got a gold mine. Good luck!

[CalModels]

Lemmy, thats part of my problem... there seems to be absolutely no consistency which is what is stumping me... give you an example, when I forst started this I already had an affiliate account with CJ and an insurance company was one of the sponsors I was promoting on another message board site for new immigrants, and when I was still working on the CalgaryModels.com framework, as a place holder I put up that insurance company banner and people actually signed up there as well... but you are right... I need to rethink two things (from reading the feedback you guys are giving and form other threads I have been reading)... first get targeted traffic (which is another problem... do I go after amateur traffic or do I specifically go after lingerie traffic... amateur traffic seems to convert better form what I have been reading at the sponsors) and second, work on the promotion keywords and put in text links (or maybe even menu links? I just added an iFriends link on my main menu lets see if that gets people to click and convert)... am I about in the ballpark or anything else you guys could think of?

[Halfdeck]

5 pages from your domain indexed in yahoo. Kinda hard to believe you're pulling 250 uniques from Yahoo a day from 5 pages. What keyword phrase(s) is your site ranked for?

Anyway, if you're really making 1 sale/day off that index.php page, then I'd just build more pages or create more sites and link back to this domain.

BTW, having 1445 char long keyword meta should penalize your page in Google. I would reduce that to 4 keywords.

[Wazza]

Originally Posted by CalModels

with 250 visitors a day I am still getting atleast one sale a day

1 sale from every 250 visitors, not click throughs to sponsors, is a number that most of us would give our right arm for. So yes you're right that is a shit hot set of numbers.

It could be the yahoo traffic (usenet traffic won't be worth shit), it could be the discrete 'free join' link (meaning they're using the pin method), or it could be just plain old dumb luck (no offense meant - we all have dumb luck days and love em!).

Free Site traffic is not as potent as SE traffic, but it's generally better than hardlinked TGP traffic, then CJ (circle jerk - blind linked - trade script controlled) TGP traffic, free for alls (link dumps), forum, and usenet traffic.

The longevity of listings at Link Lists generally means that Free Sites get their own trickle of SE traffic too (some get a lot - but they're few and far between).