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ecchi · 2005-09-17, 02:15 PM

RE: "The honest ones will no doubt contact me to ask what the deal is " Not usually, there are so many bad webmasters out there that it is not worth the effort. A few will contact you, some will ignore you, others will just put you on a blacklist. (I was once given the following figures by a webmaster on another board, I have no idea how accurate they are, but no one else on the board contradicted him: For every one person who complain, you can assume ten do not. Nine of these will just never do business with you again, the tenth will tell all his friends that you are a cheater.)

Linkster · 2005-09-17, 06:01 PM

Thats the nice thing about some LL scripts - once we ban them they still get the "thank you" page so they think it went through - although it really got trashed - and we never have to see it. And believe me there are hundreds of submits that go in the trash every day

ecchi · 2005-09-17, 06:49 PM

Not a good idea. If you ban someone and tell them, at least they know they are banned, even if they don't agree with you or think you are being unfair. But if they put up your recip, get your "thank you" page, but get no traffic back from you, they are automatically going to assume you are a traffic thief and a cheater. And the odds are that they will tell other people this.

Rick J · 2005-09-17, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

Not a good idea. If you ban someone and tell them, at least they know they are banned, even if they don't agree with you or think you are being unfair. But if they put up your recip, get your "thank you" page, but get no traffic back from you, they are automatically going to assume you are a traffic thief and a cheater. And the odds are that they will tell other people this.

Good point actually.

Linkster · 2005-09-17, 07:36 PM

ecchi - no disrespect here - but when you have people submitting hundreds of sites a day with an autosubmitter - do you really think that you would have time to send them and email to let them know?
and the argument that anyone is getting backlinks and traffic doesnt fly - but then only LL owners would understand that as we know what really counts towards backlinks and what type of traffic we get from recips - and I can tell you honestly - a submit that is banned here is probably banned everywhere - so backlinks dont count anymore - and traffic wont happen as no other LLs are listing it - but even if they did the traffic from a recip is usually in the range of 1 hit every 10 days or so - not something that really counts in the grand scheme of things

More importantly - and I guess this just goes back to old school stuff that Im used to - when I was submitting to LLs - I would go check my stats - and if a site didnt list me I would stop submitting.
And if they are using an autosubmitter or doing something else that breaks the rules - should I really care what happens to their site?

RobUK · 2005-09-17, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

More importantly - and I guess this just goes back to old school stuff that Im used to - when I was submitting to LLs - I would go check my stats - and if a site didnt list me I would stop submitting.

Fair enough, but what about sites that take weeks or months to approve a submission? Only the other day one of my sites that I submitted several months ago was approved on a list that I'd taken out of my submit table for exactly that reason.

Seems to me that if LLs don't tell someone they're blacklisted they're bound to keep on submitting, at least for a while - how are they to know that the list doesn't have a huge backlog, or they simply don't like the most recent submissions or...

Of course, cheaters must be a HUGE pain in the ass for LL owners, and I'm in favour of blacklisting every last one of em. But it seems a little unfair to do it in secret, lest other submitters become unwittingly caught in the net.

Rob.

Surfn · 2005-09-17, 10:04 PM

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Lemmy · 2005-09-17, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

RE: "The honest ones will no doubt contact me to ask what the deal is " Not usually, there are so many bad webmasters out there that it is not worth the effort. A few will contact you, some will ignore you, others will just put you on a blacklist. (I was once given the following figures by a webmaster on another board, I have no idea how accurate they are, but no one else on the board contradicted him: For every one person who complain, you can assume ten do not. Nine of these will just never do business with you again, the tenth will tell all his friends that you are a cheater.)

I disagree. Any honest webmaster who feels he is unfairly blacklisted will contact the LL owner to ask why. Any honest LL owner will seek to rectify an injustice. I know this business a lot better from the submitters point of view than I do the LL owner's, so I know what it's like.

Also see how quick people are to beg for un-blacklisting here on the board, whether they did something to deserve it or not.

As for getting a reputation for being a cheating webmaster, well, count the threads here outing cheating LL owners vs cheating submitters.

2005-09-17, 06:01 PM	#2
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Thats the nice thing about some LL scripts - once we ban them they still get the "thank you" page so they think it went through - although it really got trashed - and we never have to see it. And believe me there are hundreds of submits that go in the trash every day __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-09-17, 07:36 PM	#5
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	ecchi - no disrespect here - but when you have people submitting hundreds of sites a day with an autosubmitter - do you really think that you would have time to send them and email to let them know? and the argument that anyone is getting backlinks and traffic doesnt fly - but then only LL owners would understand that as we know what really counts towards backlinks and what type of traffic we get from recips - and I can tell you honestly - a submit that is banned here is probably banned everywhere - so backlinks dont count anymore - and traffic wont happen as no other LLs are listing it - but even if they did the traffic from a recip is usually in the range of 1 hit every 10 days or so - not something that really counts in the grand scheme of things More importantly - and I guess this just goes back to old school stuff that Im used to - when I was submitting to LLs - I would go check my stats - and if a site didnt list me I would stop submitting. And if they are using an autosubmitter or doing something else that breaks the rules - should I really care what happens to their site? __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-09-17, 10:04 PM	#7
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2005-09-17, 02:15 PM	#1
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	RE: "The honest ones will no doubt contact me to ask what the deal is " Not usually, there are so many bad webmasters out there that it is not worth the effort. A few will contact you, some will ignore you, others will just put you on a blacklist. (I was once given the following figures by a webmaster on another board, I have no idea how accurate they are, but no one else on the board contradicted him: For every one person who complain, you can assume ten do not. Nine of these will just never do business with you again, the tenth will tell all his friends that you are a cheater.)

2005-09-17, 06:49 PM	#3
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	Not a good idea. If you ban someone and tell them, at least they know they are banned, even if they don't agree with you or think you are being unfair. But if they put up your recip, get your "thank you" page, but get no traffic back from you, they are automatically going to assume you are a traffic thief and a cheater. And the odds are that they will tell other people this.