Borderline Blind Links....

HC-Majick · 2005-09-29, 09:16 PM

I don't think it's blind link. It doesn't promise the surfer anything or make them think it is anything other than a link. If they're curious, they click the link.
I think it's a good thing for the freesite builder in terms of search engines.....keywords, relevance, matching phrase as on the actual pay site.
Just my $0.02

MrYum · 2005-09-29, 10:38 PM

Don't think I've seen any quite as blatant as what you describe Max. But since the discussions here, I am seeing more people using the site name in links

Usually when I do see just the site name, either there's a banner sort of close by or it's far enough into the site to know the name of the site being promoted. Tough call, but at this point...if they're using the site name...don't think I could call it blind.

The one's that are boggling my little mind are the one's with a bunch of text describing sexual acts...sometimes even the paysite name...then a BIG link a few rows down that says "VISIT"...

Yea...that's enticing! lol

Or, I've been getting more people submitting sites with ALL the text linked. Damn, that's ugly!

Or or or...

Sorry mini reviewers rant came over me there

Greenguy · 2005-09-29, 11:13 PM

I think it's really in how it's used & the test around it. I know I market the name of the site a bit in my text & then link it to the paysite.

"Her First Lesbian Sex" is a good example of something that could be throw into a paragrapoh of text & easily linked to the paysite:

...Jane had be a bit curious for awhle & Mary thought it'd be a good idea to take pics of Her First Lesbian Sex....

Using the other one, I'd allow something like:

"...Gary likes to take it up the ass. Would you like to see more Backdoor Boys?....

Halfdeck · 2005-09-29, 11:48 PM

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But if you look click a link for "Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs" becasue thats what your looking for and thats what the paysite is providing you have found what your looking for.

It's just as bad as a lesbian thumb linked to a lesbian paysite tour. Yes, the surfer was looking for lesbian pics and the paysite does provide lesbian pics and who knows it could be the best lesbian site on the net period.

But the surfer expected the thumb to go to a picture, not a tour.

"First First Bi Fuck" by itself tells me it's a link that takes me some place - maybe a paysite, maybe a page in the free site.

It doesn't promise anything, so it's not deceptive, but a surfer still has no idea where he's going to end up, especially if it's a link with a mile long query string attached that goes through a redirecting domain, like "http://www.redirect.com/?webid=2492525&c=342&tour=2b..."

Why train bookmarking surfers to be cautious with links and force them to backup from tours? I can only see links like this lowering overall clickthrus generated by a LL.

EDIT: Also, I think people are only hurting themselves in the SERPS if the links with sponsor names embedded go directly to the paysite domain (without using the nofollow tag). That paysite will eventually come up #1 on Google for "Her First Lesbian Fuck" and your free site will stay buried on the 20th page.

ponygirl · 2005-09-30, 12:41 AM

hmm...another good thread

first, MrYum I have to agree with you - those huge blocks of linked text are awful if they are highlighted on mouseover in any way

I usually put the paysite name without the .com but I put it all together like: HerFirstLesbianSex - I dunno, makes it seem more like a paysite link to me. The concern about typing it directly in is why I don't put the .com but I guess an industrious surfer would figure it out anyway.

As I refine my style & see more posts about this on the board, I am getting tougher too. Surfers know you are going to try & sell them something, blind links just makes it look sneaky to them imho.

Ponygirl

Surfn · 2005-09-30, 02:56 AM

I use something like this in the title "two hotties experimenting with girl girl sex - exclusively at HerFirstLesbianSex.com". Because it describes the site/gallery and informs where more/better of this can be found.

Of course I like to give the models names so the surfer can identify with them easier and therefore may be more inclined to join

MrYum · 2005-09-30, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ponygirl

first, MrYum I have to agree with you - those huge blocks of linked text are awful if they are highlighted on mouseover in any way

Ponygirl

Oh yea! Those huge blocks that turn to a sharply contrasting color on hover are downright painful!

Excellent points UW

Capitalizing the first letter in each word of the paysite name goes a long way toward making it clear that it IS in fact a site name.

sue-fl · 2005-09-30, 11:36 AM

Well it gets more confusing..

I do my text with the name of the site on the first line-then text-then click here or whatever. I usually don't use .com but started as of my last site with the .com. I don't really think it looks as good though but I'll do it that way from now on.

ponygirl · 2005-09-30, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sue-fl

Well it gets more confusing..

I do my text with the name of the site on the first line-then text-then click here or whatever. I usually don't use .com but started as of my last site with the .com. I don't really think it looks as good though but I'll do it that way from now on.

I don't think that way is a problem - as long as I can look at the link & figure out from surrounding text or a banner that it is going to a paysite, then it's not blind. The big issue is stuff like "CLICK HERE for more lesbo pics" - surfer may think he's going to another gallery or something & ends up at a paysite. I don't think your links are blind

I'm not going to add the .com - it just doesn't balance right most of the time.

and the large blocks of text - I know contrast is good to catch the surfer's eye, but 2 or 3 lines is more effective than 10 imo

I wouldn't decline a site for changing style on a mouseover (even if it blinded me lol) unless there were more than 3 or 4 lines.

Preacher - I like these discussions too

I think the problem is that it is subjective - one reviewer may decline what others accept, or even what they would accept if they were in a better mood

I have seen an increase in using the .com & paysite names in the last couple of days submissions, tho - it seems people are paying attention to these threads

Ponygirl

Preacher · 2005-09-30, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MrYum

Oh yea! Those huge blocks that turn to a sharply contrasting color on hover are downright painful!

I've been guilty of that.

I like this thread, now and I am anxious to see the subjective definitions for "unreasonably blind". I think that's my new favorite phrase.

-Preacher

tjchuck · 2005-09-30, 12:22 PM

First of all I would have to say that I am guilty of blind linking myself.

However I will plead guilty by ignorance. And I am putting sponsor name in text now after all this came out, but dot com at the end...come on.

Not trying to cause major conflict, but can the LL owners that posted to all these threads look at there own LL pages, be it the home page, enter, whatever, and say that they follow these rules on all their sales text (on their LL pages, not the free sites they build)?

Just a question for thought.

Jeremy · 2005-09-30, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

It's just as bad as a lesbian thumb linked to a lesbian paysite tour. Yes, the surfer was looking for lesbian pics and the paysite does provide lesbian pics and who knows it could be the best lesbian site on the net period.

But the surfer expected the thumb to go to a picture, not a tour.

Nope, it's entirely different.

Thumb => Pay site = completely blind.

Site Name => Pay Site = Not blind in the least.

2005-09-29, 10:38 PM	#2
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Don't think I've seen any quite as blatant as what you describe Max. But since the discussions here, I am seeing more people using the site name in links Usually when I do see just the site name, either there's a banner sort of close by or it's far enough into the site to know the name of the site being promoted. Tough call, but at this point...if they're using the site name...don't think I could call it blind. The one's that are boggling my little mind are the one's with a bunch of text describing sexual acts...sometimes even the paysite name...then a BIG link a few rows down that says "VISIT"... Yea...that's enticing! lol Or, I've been getting more people submitting sites with ALL the text linked. Damn, that's ugly! Or or or... Sorry mini reviewers rant came over me there __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-09-29, 11:13 PM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I think it's really in how it's used & the test around it. I know I market the name of the site a bit in my text & then link it to the paysite. "Her First Lesbian Sex" is a good example of something that could be throw into a paragrapoh of text & easily linked to the paysite: ...Jane had be a bit curious for awhle & Mary thought it'd be a good idea to take pics of Her First Lesbian Sex.... Using the other one, I'd allow something like: "...Gary likes to take it up the ass. Would you like to see more Backdoor Boys?.... __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-09-30, 12:41 AM	#5
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	hmm...another good thread first, MrYum I have to agree with you - those huge blocks of linked text are awful if they are highlighted on mouseover in any way I usually put the paysite name without the .com but I put it all together like: HerFirstLesbianSex - I dunno, makes it seem more like a paysite link to me. The concern about typing it directly in is why I don't put the .com but I guess an industrious surfer would figure it out anyway. As I refine my style & see more posts about this on the board, I am getting tougher too. Surfers know you are going to try & sell them something, blind links just makes it look sneaky to them imho. Ponygirl __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2005-09-30, 02:56 AM	#6
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I use something like this in the title "two hotties experimenting with girl girl sex - exclusively at HerFirstLesbianSex.com". Because it describes the site/gallery and informs where more/better of this can be found. Of course I like to give the models names so the surfer can identify with them easier and therefore may be more inclined to join __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-09-29, 09:16 PM	#1
HC-Majick You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 541	I don't think it's blind link. It doesn't promise the surfer anything or make them think it is anything other than a link. If they're curious, they click the link. I think it's a good thing for the freesite builder in terms of search engines.....keywords, relevance, matching phrase as on the actual pay site. Just my $0.02 __________________ Submit Your Freesites:

2005-09-30, 11:36 AM	#8
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Well it gets more confusing.. I do my text with the name of the site on the first line-then text-then click here or whatever. I usually don't use .com but started as of my last site with the .com. I don't really think it looks as good though but I'll do it that way from now on.

2005-09-30, 12:22 PM	#11
tjchuck And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alberta Posts: 225	First of all I would have to say that I am guilty of blind linking myself. However I will plead guilty by ignorance. And I am putting sponsor name in text now after all this came out, but dot com at the end...come on. Not trying to cause major conflict, but can the LL owners that posted to all these threads look at there own LL pages, be it the home page, enter, whatever, and say that they follow these rules on all their sales text (on their LL pages, not the free sites they build)? Just a question for thought.