Business Help

babymaker · 2005-10-11, 02:12 PM

the 1 site i chcked, i can see you getting a lot of clicks to the sponsor, but they were blind links basically it was real hard to find the enter link so people click and hit the back button, might be one of the problems. 5000 is a lot tho for no sales at all strange.

Halfdeck · 2005-10-11, 02:46 PM

Hey TB,

Your sites seemed very passive. Just pictures and banners and really not much text.

Some free sites also seemed like they break standard LL rules, and 1000 / day to a hub with 100 free sites seems a bit low.

My guess is you'll make more sales if you sharpen up your free sites. Also, you might want to try more sponsors.

mrenaud · 2005-10-11, 03:06 PM

I've been doing free sites fulltime for about a month and only have 18 free sites out there. Got 6 sales so far.

I only looked at 2 of your sites (didn't bother with the rest) and you definately need to take the advice already mentioned. One thing I really noticed, you thumbs. It looks like you just used a program to generate them. They are terrible. You can see the "Summer logo" on your thumbs! Not good. I crop each of my thumbs individually in photoshop.

Advice to newbies: A crap site will make you next to nothing. Don't believe anyone who tells you once you get X amount of clicks you will make sales.........

tb · 2005-10-11, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrenaud

I've been doing free sites fulltime for about a month and only have 18 free sites out there. Got 6 sales so far.

I only looked at 2 of your sites (didn't bother with the rest) and you definately need to take the advice already mentioned. One thing I really noticed, you thumbs. It looks like you just used a program to generate them. They are terrible. You can see the "Summer logo" on your thumbs! Not good. I crop each of my thumbs individually in photoshop.

Advice to newbies: A crap site will make you next to nothing. Don't believe anyone who tells you once you get X amount of clicks you will make sales.........

Please post the urls to your sites.
I would love to see them, it would be a big boost to all newbie free site builders.

Also I thought I was not supposed to remove the trademake logos from the images??

mrenaud · 2005-10-11, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Please post the urls to your sites.
I would love to see them, it would be a big boost to all newbie free site builders.

Also I thought I was not supposed to remove the trademake logos from the images??

well I don't really want to post the urls cause I don't want them copied. You don't really need to see them anyways to improve. If you want to see examples of good free sites visit some LL's and see what is getting other submitters listed. Just don't copy other people work!!!

As far as removing the trademark, I believe its ok if its for thumbs....you would not want to remove it from the large version of the picture that your thumb goes to....that would be a BIG NO NO.

Remember to try and use a lot of text SE's love text.

gotta go build now..

good luck

Linkster · 2005-10-11, 06:17 PM

well - here's my take on it:
first - I doubt seriously that you have been listed at very many LLs - most WMs dont list fake whois domains. Second the site with the subdomain would be an instant ban at most LLs - so you might check that as well. I would also make sure that you are using a good email as the hotmail addy would also get you declined if you used it (I dont know as Ive never seen a submit here)

Definitely think about how you push a site - think about the Sunday newspapers and how the car dealers push specific cars or even go to mens magazine and see how they talk up a certain thing they are selling in the back.

Looking at the entrance page for one of your free sites I could barely find the Enter link - again a reason most LLs wouldnt accept it (its the smallest link on the page)

If you have really made 100 free sites since youve owned this domain then you definitely have the mindset to do this well - 100 sites in less than 5 months is great - just have to learn the selling points

and there are loads of threads in the newbie section that go into detail on this - or just look at some LLs around here to see what does get accepted and how they sell. Or just look at Tommys free site he posted and take good lessons from that one

As far as taking logos off the thumbs I do believe that would NOT be a problem as long as you leave them on the full size pics -but definitely need something to make thumbs better

tb · 2005-10-11, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

well - here's my take on it:
first - I doubt seriously that you have been listed at very many LLs - most WMs dont list fake whois domains. Second the site with the subdomain would be an instant ban at most LLs - so you might check that as well. I would also make sure that you are using a good email as the hotmail addy would also get you declined if you used it (I dont know as Ive never seen a submit here)

Thanks for the take.
What do you mean by fake whois domains?

tb · 2005-10-11, 09:12 PM

Well thanks again for all the ideas.

I really did not think my enter link was so hard to find.
O.K. Maybe on this example
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/
the enter link is a bit tricky, I acknowledge that as fair criticism.

If you look at the other sites I've listed, you will find the enter link quite simply

This one has an extra large enter link:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz07/01/

This one the enter link is fully one quarter the size of the table it’s in:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz14/01/

Here is one with a big clean enter link and plenty of text extolling the great benefits of joining:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/

Here is on with a very clean enter link and lots of bold text under the banner:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz05/07/

Here is one with a positively huge enter link on the warning page:
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz04/07/

Here is one with clean enter link and lots of text
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz08/07/

Another clean enter lots of text
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/

Last one two enter links one above the other and text links
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/

The idea behind this is not to refute your critisms, some of which are valid and I will work hard to sharpen the web sites if you all think that is part of the problem. I will refine my thumbs, use more text and take the Sunday paper approach to selling. The reason for all the examples is to show you that I have constantly changed things around looking for a site that sells.
Again all of these sites can't be sooo bad that they never get a sale and every click is a blind one.
Keep in mind again; I keep getting accepted at different link lists I am now approaching 2000 acceptances. (yes Linkster it’s true)
It' not like I don't surf around and see what others are doing. I am certainly not the only free site builder to use a format similar to this.
Naturally I have seen a lot better and naturally I have seen a lot worse.

Of course I am open to other suggestions you may have and needless to say I don’t expect the board to solve my problems. The reason for my asking is to make sure that I am on the right track. As well I’ll state it again that I don’t believe this is entirely a case of crappy web sites.

Here are some specific examples

September 8, 2005 to October 10, 2005
These sites sent 1120 hits to the tour in 33 days
0 sales?

http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php02/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php03/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php06/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php07/01/

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June 28, 2005 to October 10, 2005
These sites sent 4996 hits to the tour in 105 days
0 sales?

http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat01/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat02/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat03/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat04/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat05/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat06/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat07/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat08/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat09/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat11/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat12/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat13/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat14/01/
http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat15/01/

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I just don’t see that the problem is all in a “bad website”
If you check the links you will find they are very clean and not meant to deviously mislead the surfer

Thanks again for all of your time.

Linkster · 2005-10-11, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tb

Thanks for the take.
What do you mean by fake whois domains?

Lets look - you started out with this as your addy:
K Smith ()
+1.5148600250
Fax: +1.5148600250
4894 Sources
43509
D.D.O., QC H8Y 3P4
CA
Which puts you in Canada ???

Then you changed it in July to:
K Smith ()
+1.5148600250
Fax: +1.5148600250
123 4th street
Punta Cana, CA 90210
US
Which puts you in Beverly Hills??? of course that street doesnt really exist there - so yeah - its fake LOL

tb · 2005-10-11, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrenaud

I've been doing free sites fulltime for about a month and only have 18 free sites out there. Got 6 sales so far................
..........well I don't really want to post the urls

With out rancour or prejudice:
It's a shame you won't share at least one.
I find it hard to believe that you have made 6 sales in your first month from a standing start. My humble opinion of course.
You are the second person on the board that I have had a conversation with that has made claims of magical sales and to date neither of you will show any of the input.
Tommy seems to be the only one to put his money where his mouth is.
Hats off to you Tommy!!

Again no harm intended, just stating my opinion.

2005-10-11, 02:12 PM	#1
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	the 1 site i chcked, i can see you getting a lot of clicks to the sponsor, but they were blind links basically it was real hard to find the enter link so people click and hit the back button, might be one of the problems. 5000 is a lot tho for no sales at all strange. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-10-11, 02:46 PM	#2
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Hey TB, Your sites seemed very passive. Just pictures and banners and really not much text. Some free sites also seemed like they break standard LL rules, and 1000 / day to a hub with 100 free sites seems a bit low. My guess is you'll make more sales if you sharpen up your free sites. Also, you might want to try more sponsors. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2005-10-11, 06:17 PM	#6
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	well - here's my take on it: first - I doubt seriously that you have been listed at very many LLs - most WMs dont list fake whois domains. Second the site with the subdomain would be an instant ban at most LLs - so you might check that as well. I would also make sure that you are using a good email as the hotmail addy would also get you declined if you used it (I dont know as Ive never seen a submit here) Definitely think about how you push a site - think about the Sunday newspapers and how the car dealers push specific cars or even go to mens magazine and see how they talk up a certain thing they are selling in the back. Looking at the entrance page for one of your free sites I could barely find the Enter link - again a reason most LLs wouldnt accept it (its the smallest link on the page) If you have really made 100 free sites since youve owned this domain then you definitely have the mindset to do this well - 100 sites in less than 5 months is great - just have to learn the selling points and there are loads of threads in the newbie section that go into detail on this - or just look at some LLs around here to see what does get accepted and how they sell. Or just look at Tommys free site he posted and take good lessons from that one As far as taking logos off the thumbs I do believe that would NOT be a problem as long as you leave them on the full size pics -but definitely need something to make thumbs better __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-10-11, 09:12 PM	#8
tb I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 80	Thanks Well thanks again for all the ideas. I really did not think my enter link was so hard to find. O.K. Maybe on this example http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/ the enter link is a bit tricky, I acknowledge that as fair criticism. If you look at the other sites I've listed, you will find the enter link quite simply This one has an extra large enter link: http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz07/01/ This one the enter link is fully one quarter the size of the table it’s in: http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz14/01/ Here is one with a big clean enter link and plenty of text extolling the great benefits of joining: http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/ Here is on with a very clean enter link and lots of bold text under the banner: http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz05/07/ Here is one with a positively huge enter link on the warning page: http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz04/07/ Here is one with clean enter link and lots of text http://www.thebesst.com/spr/fp/nz/nz08/07/ Another clean enter lots of text http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/ Last one two enter links one above the other and text links http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/ The idea behind this is not to refute your critisms, some of which are valid and I will work hard to sharpen the web sites if you all think that is part of the problem. I will refine my thumbs, use more text and take the Sunday paper approach to selling. The reason for all the examples is to show you that I have constantly changed things around looking for a site that sells. Again all of these sites can't be sooo bad that they never get a sale and every click is a blind one. Keep in mind again; I keep getting accepted at different link lists I am now approaching 2000 acceptances. (yes Linkster it’s true) It' not like I don't surf around and see what others are doing. I am certainly not the only free site builder to use a format similar to this. Naturally I have seen a lot better and naturally I have seen a lot worse. Of course I am open to other suggestions you may have and needless to say I don’t expect the board to solve my problems. The reason for my asking is to make sure that I am on the right track. As well I’ll state it again that I don’t believe this is entirely a case of crappy web sites. Here are some specific examples September 8, 2005 to October 10, 2005 These sites sent 1120 hits to the tour in 33 days 0 sales? http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php01/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php02/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php03/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php04/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php05/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php06/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/sc/php/php07/01/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ June 28, 2005 to October 10, 2005 These sites sent 4996 hits to the tour in 105 days 0 sales? http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat01/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat02/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat03/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat04/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat05/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat06/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat07/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat08/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat09/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat10/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat11/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat12/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat13/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat14/01/ http://www.thebesst.com/spr/gr/nat/nat15/01/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just don’t see that the problem is all in a “bad website” If you check the links you will find they are very clean and not meant to deviously mislead the surfer Thanks again for all of your time.

2005-10-11, 03:06 PM	#3
mrenaud If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 240	I've been doing free sites fulltime for about a month and only have 18 free sites out there. Got 6 sales so far. I only looked at 2 of your sites (didn't bother with the rest) and you definately need to take the advice already mentioned. One thing I really noticed, you thumbs. It looks like you just used a program to generate them. They are terrible. You can see the "Summer logo" on your thumbs! Not good. I crop each of my thumbs individually in photoshop. Advice to newbies: A crap site will make you next to nothing. Don't believe anyone who tells you once you get X amount of clicks you will make sales.........