What does it take to be lucrative in the freesite game nowadays?

PR_Tom · 2005-10-14, 10:35 PM

It can be a tough business. There's people making money from free sites, the link pages of their own where they list them, the extra ads on such pages.. Their whole network of sites. I can see it in their stats, so I'm sure.
It's not just getting a free site to a link list though, it's building up from there.

There has to be a willingness to learn also, and attend the chats even if you think you know what you're doing and can do no wrong

The old "80/20/10" rule is in full force at all times. You can tell 10 people exactly what to do to make money, 8 wont do it for whatever reason (too hard, too much work, dont understand etc), 2 will try to apply it, and only 1 will succeed with it. So you have to be that 1 in 10 person and sprinkle on a little luck.

Try new things. Here's something that is a truism I guess.
"If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.".

So if you submit 10 freesites a week and get 1 sale a week and never change anything, then you'll get 1 sale a week for the rest of your life.

Try a new format, try a new sponsor, try a new site at your sponsor, try a new niche you've never tried before. Try a different content provider, try making your pics bigger. Try asking a link list owner what category gets the most raw hits. Try submitting to new link lists, try old link lists you never really tried. Try finding link lists with search engines. *ANYTHING* new!! Ever open photoshop to make a custom banner? Try it!!

You can most definitely make money from "just free sites" as long as that doesnt mean index, main, 2 galleries and submit. It's alot more than that.

plateman · 2005-10-15, 02:50 AM

great read guys and I got a little bummed out reading what bill said, but I see what I am doing now and know what needs to be done to go to the next level, I remember what linkster said a long time ago - it takes a min 1 year just to get the hang of this and a good buddy of mine who is making well over 50k a year didnt make hardly anything there first year.. I am going on my 3 year and started a LL just after 10 free sites built..

Is the LL doing as good as I want it to be - NO but that isnt no problem, start another one and target a specific SE,

dont waste a lot of time in a LL early on - build and build and you will soon see that free sites just dont generate a lot of traffic, so go to galleries...

IMO you need a 100k a day of traffic coming into a domain root all filtered out to your free sites and galleries to make a good income... you got to see those big traffic numbers to make bank..

the older LL owners by 5-10 years have the traffic that makes them decent money and with free sites and galleries they can make killer cash..

heck some people have 2 or 3 LL a bunch of smaller hubs and been subbing galleries everyday for years and know wich ones convert the best..

the question was just free sites, I know for a fact that you can make 8 to 9 hundred a month steady off of 100 SE friendly that gets se traffic - so do the math..

yes this biz is a lot of work and when you work for your self it is a lot of work..

Linkster · 2005-10-15, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

"If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.".

Tom - thats gotta be one of my favorite quotes of all time - and so very true! And it applies to everything in life - not just this biz - I used to have that and one other quote hanging on my wall of my office at the corporate job I worked for some time - and finally I "got it" and took the step getting into this full time

BTW - my other favorite quote was "you are either part of the steam roller or part of the road"

Bill · 2005-10-15, 12:56 PM

Funny thing, I started this debate thinking it would cheer people up, apparently it had the opposite effect.

So I reverse my position. Making a k a week is fairly easy in this business.

Me, I have to make a k a week just to make my nut. ("making the nut" means to cover business expenses, taxes, and basic living expenses - it's an old business expression) If I can do it, anyone should be able to do it, because, frankly, I don't work that hard.

So, everthing I was saying, I was just kidding. If you're not making 50k in a year, I'm sure you will be soon.

As I've always said, this is the best home-based business ever invented. I truly believe that.

So, like I said, I was just kidding.

2005-10-14, 10:35 PM	#1
PR_Tom Nobody gets into heaven without a glowstick Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 423	It can be a tough business. There's people making money from free sites, the link pages of their own where they list them, the extra ads on such pages.. Their whole network of sites. I can see it in their stats, so I'm sure. It's not just getting a free site to a link list though, it's building up from there. There has to be a willingness to learn also, and attend the chats even if you think you know what you're doing and can do no wrong The old "80/20/10" rule is in full force at all times. You can tell 10 people exactly what to do to make money, 8 wont do it for whatever reason (too hard, too much work, dont understand etc), 2 will try to apply it, and only 1 will succeed with it. So you have to be that 1 in 10 person and sprinkle on a little luck. Try new things. Here's something that is a truism I guess. "If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always gotten.". So if you submit 10 freesites a week and get 1 sale a week and never change anything, then you'll get 1 sale a week for the rest of your life. Try a new format, try a new sponsor, try a new site at your sponsor, try a new niche you've never tried before. Try a different content provider, try making your pics bigger. Try asking a link list owner what category gets the most raw hits. Try submitting to new link lists, try old link lists you never really tried. Try finding link lists with search engines. ANYTHING new!! Ever open photoshop to make a custom banner? Try it!! You can most definitely make money from "just free sites" as long as that doesnt mean index, main, 2 galleries and submit. It's alot more than that. __________________ PimpRoll

2005-10-15, 02:50 AM	#2
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	great read guys and I got a little bummed out reading what bill said, but I see what I am doing now and know what needs to be done to go to the next level, I remember what linkster said a long time ago - it takes a min 1 year just to get the hang of this and a good buddy of mine who is making well over 50k a year didnt make hardly anything there first year.. I am going on my 3 year and started a LL just after 10 free sites built.. Is the LL doing as good as I want it to be - NO but that isnt no problem, start another one and target a specific SE, dont waste a lot of time in a LL early on - build and build and you will soon see that free sites just dont generate a lot of traffic, so go to galleries... IMO you need a 100k a day of traffic coming into a domain root all filtered out to your free sites and galleries to make a good income... you got to see those big traffic numbers to make bank.. the older LL owners by 5-10 years have the traffic that makes them decent money and with free sites and galleries they can make killer cash.. heck some people have 2 or 3 LL a bunch of smaller hubs and been subbing galleries everyday for years and know wich ones convert the best.. the question was just free sites, I know for a fact that you can make 8 to 9 hundred a month steady off of 100 SE friendly that gets se traffic - so do the math.. yes this biz is a lot of work and when you work for your self it is a lot of work.. __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2005-10-15, 12:56 PM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Funny thing, I started this debate thinking it would cheer people up, apparently it had the opposite effect. So I reverse my position. Making a k a week is fairly easy in this business. Me, I have to make a k a week just to make my nut. ("making the nut" means to cover business expenses, taxes, and basic living expenses - it's an old business expression) If I can do it, anyone should be able to do it, because, frankly, I don't work that hard. So, everthing I was saying, I was just kidding. If you're not making 50k in a year, I'm sure you will be soon. As I've always said, this is the best home-based business ever invented. I truly believe that. So, like I said, I was just kidding.