Internext/AEE passes anyone :) - AVN SUCKS!!!!!

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Far-L

More suggestions for locations and optimal months please - figuring that the shows need to be six months apart with a winter and summer event ideally...

How about having the non-Vegas one anywhere but a humid tropical location in the hottest part of summer?

And: is Homegrown Video planning to offer discount amateur passes this year?

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

How about having the non-Vegas one anywhere but a humid tropical location in the hottest part of summer?

And: is Homegrown Video planning to offer discount amateur passes this year?

We were planning on it.

Are you still in Seattle? I think it is a goshdurn travesty that we haven't gotten together yet up here.

Drop me a email and let's do lunch or something soon if you are in town still.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

How about having the non-Vegas one anywhere but a humid tropical location in the hottest part of summer?

And: is Homegrown Video planning to offer discount amateur passes this year?

I think the last Phoenix Forum was larger then the Florida show and there ain't no humidity in AZ.

[MeatPounder]

Non Vegas one in Buffalo?

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

Non Vegas one in Buffalo?

Umm... I have been to Buffalo - it is freezing fricking cold in the winter and almost as humid as Florida in the summer... lol, but I will add it to the list...

[emmanuelle]

I attended my first internext before I even launched my first website. We slept 6 to a room, paid for and attended the seminars, and fed ourselves at the free lunch buffet on the show floor. I was there to learn, and giddy with the excitement surrounding me. I was astounded by the 500 squarefoot bar in the middle of the room, as well as the number of people willing to help a newb get off the ground. Every one of those people is remembered & appreciated, some are still good friends today.


I met great people who helped me get going, shot content, and was exposed to advertisers while I was very impressionable. I came home with 30 t-shirts, a suitcase full of sponsor's promotional materials to study later, and an incalculable amount of motivation.

My trusty assistant Kassy also attended internext prior to launching her first website. She too scrimped and saved, knowing that the education she would receive over 4 days was invaluable. Neither of us has ever attended a Players Ball, we worked too hard to get there, to waste time partying, when we could be using our time much more wisely.


Nowadays this is impossible. Not only are beginners seemingly unwelcome, but they couldn't possibly manage to pull off such a trip on the cheap. Shows are becoming elite events, staged for a few big players to pat each other on the back, and be adored by the mid level wannabees.
I can't tell you how nauseated I was to hear someone tell me how his girlfriend was looking for a new company to rep, so that she could attend internext with him. That's all I see anymore, company 'reps'. Not hard working entrepreneurs, but those hired to smile pretty and handle damage control.

I'd like to see the shows return to their roots. Companies working hard to get my business, not just paying for boothspace to satisfy AVN's requirements. I'd like to see it made possible for beginners to attend and get the education they so desperately need. I'd like to see "our" show return to being about us, our specific needs, and unifying our industry. Lackluster support of valuable causes (2257, Acacia etc) clearly demonstrate the need for the industry to be brought closer together as one; but that one must include all of us.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

I attended my first internext before I even launched my first website. We slept 6 to a room, paid for and attended the seminars, and fed ourselves at the free lunch buffet on the show floor. I was there to learn, and giddy with the excitement surrounding me. I was astounded by the 500 squarefoot bar in the middle of the room, as well as the number of people willing to help a newb get off the ground. Every one of those people is remembered & appreciated, some are still good friends today.


I met great people who helped me get going, shot content, and was exposed to advertisers while I was very impressionable. I came home with 30 t-shirts, a suitcase full of sponsor's promotional materials to study later, and an incalculable amount of motivation.

My trusty assistant Kassy also attended internext prior to launching her first website. She too scrimped and saved, knowing that the education she would receive over 4 days was invaluable. Neither of us has ever attended a Players Ball, we worked too hard to get there, to waste time partying, when we could be using our time much more wisely.


Nowadays this is impossible. Not only are beginners seemingly unwelcome, but they couldn't possibly manage to pull off such a trip on the cheap. Shows are becoming elite events, staged for a few big players to pat each other on the back, and be adored by the mid level wannabees.
I can't tell you how nauseated I was to hear someone tell me how his girlfriend was looking for a new company to rep, so that she could attend internext with him. That's all I see anymore, company 'reps'. Not hard working entrepreneurs, but those hired to smile pretty and handle damage control.

I'd like to see the shows return to their roots. Companies working hard to get my business, not just paying for boothspace to satisfy AVN's requirements. I'd like to see it made possible for beginners to attend and get the education they so desperately need. I'd like to see "our" show return to being about us, our specific needs, and unifying our industry. Lackluster support of valuable causes (2257, Acacia etc) clearly demonstrate the need for the industry to be brought closer together as one; but that one must include all of us.

Wonderfully well spoken, and what my easterner upbringing would refer to as a "protestant" work ethic.

However, most of what you point to as the faults abundant today are not due to AVN/internext but due in my mind to the changes in the profit structure and power dynamic of today's adult internet. The big sponsors of yesteryear are not as opulant as those days of old. True, there is still a power elite, but most of the old kingpins had to completely change their show strategy due to competition for affiliates, number of shows yearly, and declining margins among other things.

Internext is deeply concerned with staying on top of what the industry needs. Tom is not there anymore but anyone who knows him or Renee personally knows that they sincerely want(ed) the show to be a useful resource to attendees at any end of the fiscal strata, a show for richer or poorer. I know Darren and Paul also feel the same way as well.

I disagree that people can't still do it like you, us, and others did it back in the day with room sharing, pass sharing, etc. I know that is still a fact of life for the go-getters but I also know what you are talking about with the show being full of useless reps that all are trying to sell the same thing to each other and no one having a shred of clout to make anything substantial happen except purchasing the next round of drinks at the bar.

I feel there is a great deal of value to having a forum and venue where everyone can come face to face. I also have seen time and time again the so-called noobs that come up to greatness, the great programs that fall in ruins, and everything in between; I feel internext is for better or worse a great bellweather of those trends as well.

There will always be room for improvement, no doubt. If nothing else, all I wish to accomplish here is proving that it is better to work with AVN/internext than work against them. They are not the enemy. They are a resource which is there for us and does want to increase our business. Their business is to increase our business not diminish it.

[RawAlex]

It's actually very VERY likely that I don't go to the show at all this year... I really can't even start to justify almost 3k for 4 days in vegas... I can get a nice week vacation somewhere worth going for that

Alex