Seems ASACP has a new agenda

[Greenguy]

I'm slapping my knee.

Adult Sites Against Child Pornography - that I can back whole heartedly.

Some organization that thinks they are the God of internet porn & they need to save the kids whose parents are too fucking stupid/ignorant/lazy to monitor their online activity? Fuck them.

[Linkster]

More important - I dont want to see the gains that we made from 1997-2004 against CDA and COPA to be thrown out there as the adult sites concession - not after the hard work that everyone put into it getting the Supreme Court to agree that warning pages and credit card verification were against the 1st Amend. and we had certain free speech guarantees - why in the world someone claiming to represent the adult biz would ever conced any of these battles that we've already won is beyond me

[Bill]

What, practically speaking, can be done to repudiate them and try to correct their behavior?

I've been annoyed at ASACP ever since I realized their meta tagging system was essentially useless for any professional adult site builder. Registering every site I build with their too-complicated tag system isn't practical.

All we need is one universal tag that can tell ANY browser "This site is not for kids".

ASACP's inability to see the power of such a tag has always convinced me that they are a fraudulent organization, more interested in perpetuating their own existence than in solving the problem.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Bill

ASACP's inability to see the power of such a tag has always convinced me that they are a fraudulent organization, more interested in perpetuating their own existence than in solving the problem.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Bill

What, practically speaking, can be done to repudiate them and try to correct their behavior?

I've been annoyed at ASACP ever since I realized their meta tagging system was essentially useless for any professional adult site builder. Registering every site I build with their too-complicated tag system isn't practical.

All we need is one universal tag that can tell ANY browser "This site is not for kids".

ASACP's inability to see the power of such a tag has always convinced me that they are a fraudulent organization, more interested in perpetuating their own existence than in solving the problem.

I completely agree. It would be so much easier if it became a standard on the internet to merely add a general tag, or hey, even content specific tags such as "violence", "full nudity". "Hardcore sexual activity", etc.

It is really such a simple thing. Then let the common browsers implement this with a sort of password protection that the parent can enable. Problem solved - at least if the parent actually cared enough to learn to use the system - but chances are, if they did, they'd be sitting next to their child on the computer watching as it is wherever possible.

IF the government is going to make laws out of it, I personally would not mind it if they did make it mandatory that we used these tags. Jsut as long as they didn't require BS such as a centralized registry where we have to provide our names, addresses, etc or some sort of licensing/fee structure. Of course, I'm not really what you'd call an optimist already, and from my seven years in this business I'd be shocked if the government did something that actually made sense relating to the industry.

[walrus]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

I completely agree. It would be so much easier if it became a standard on the internet to merely add a general tag, or hey, even content specific tags such as "violence", "full nudity". "Hardcore sexual activity", etc.

It is really such a simple thing. Then let the common browsers implement this with a sort of password protection that the parent can enable. Problem solved - at least if the parent actually cared enough to learn to use the system - but chances are, if they did, they'd be sitting next to their child on the computer watching as it is wherever possible.

IF the government is going to make laws out of it, I personally would not mind it if they did make it mandatory that we used these tags. Jsut as long as they didn't require BS such as a centralized registry where we have to provide our names, addresses, etc or some sort of licensing/fee structure. Of course, I'm not really what you'd call an optimist already, and from my seven years in this business I'd be shocked if the government did something that actually made sense relating to the industry.

Think a while about this. TV's have the V-chip which effectively blocks programming that a parent would deem inappropriate for their children and it is totally ineffectual. Why, most parents don't want to go through the hassle of learning how to program the damn thing. Instead they would rather bitch that the government "needs" to do something. Every TV show is rated and rated for specific content.

Who is going to rate websites? Judging by what I read here....freesite builders who cant figure out which category to submit thier freesites to, certainly aren't to be counted on to rate their site for content. Do you really want to submit your sites to a rating group and wait months for them to tell you what your meta tag rating should be and then every time you update that site...go through the same process again....and again....and again.

Finally, child protection shouldn't be about a child running into an adult site once in a while. I'm old enough to remember running into my parents bedroom when no one was home so I could check out dad's stash of Playboys and ya my little winkie got hard and I'd pull it out and play with it too.

Child protection should be about getting rid of the vermin and predators out there who are looking to do actual, physical harm to them.

My solution for every convicted sexual deviant...nail their balls to a log, set the log a fire and hand them a butter knife.

[Linkster]

As far as tags - there already is a free solution thats been around forever called ICRA - http://www.icra.org/webmasters/
and most of us use it on our sites (at least the ones Ive seen) - and its instant - you just fill in a quick form and they give you a meta to insert.
Im not sure why anyone would want to take on anything else as this system is already used by the major search engines and it works.

[Bill]

Whoops, my bad, I meant ICRA when i was talking about tags. I don't know why, I've always confused the two.

It's the ICRA tag that's useless.

ASACP doesn't have tags to put on sites.

Sorry about that.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Bill

All we need is one universal tag that can tell ANY browser "This site is not for kids".

What's wrong with this for a start?

<meta name="Rating" content="Rating description goes here">

Rating description Equivalent
Safe For Kids G
General PG
14 Years PG-13
Mature R rated more or less
Restricted X rated

Examples:
<meta name="rating" content="Safe For Kids">
<meta name="rating" content="General">
<meta name="rating" content="14 Years">
<meta name="rating" content="Mature">
<meta name="rating" content="Restricted">

[Linkster]

There is nothing wrong with those tags - other than they already exist, but were kinda made obsolete when W3 went to the PICS label - which is why I stated earlier that the solution already exists - it just isnt used

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by DJilla

What's wrong with this for a start?

<meta name="Rating" content="Rating description goes here">

Originally Posted by Linkster

There is nothing wrong with those tags - other than they already exist, but were kinda made obsolete when W3 went to the PICS label - which is why I stated earlier that the solution already exists - it just isnt used

Naw... I knew that I was just using the old metatag standard sort of as tongue in cheek. Meaning simple solution that could be implemented almost overnight if any of the big 3 SE's declared they wouldn't index any page without a rating and exclude altogether sites that abused the rating system. Who gets to decide question? My take has always been simple... rating for under seventeen over seventeen, over 21. Under seventeen No violence Period including cartoon shit, no sex Period! Over seventeen nothing graphic re: above, over 21 anything goes!

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Djilla, the problem stems from "label adult" as opposed to "label acceptable to children". The basic assumption is (incorrectly) that the WWW as a whole is safe for children, and only a few sites are "adult" in nature. In reality, most of the web in one form or another is not safe to be viewed by an 8 year old child.

As usual RA I totally agree with you. I don't have kids, but if I did internet access would be almost unavailable as would the TV. I have lots of friends who monitor TV access quite easily and successfully. As is said in many other places Parents HAVE to be responsible.

Its in this note that the whole .kid domain thread is so relevant
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=26857
because it would be nice to be able to easily filter access, especially to a buffet of reliable, informative, educational stuff for kids.

I think it would be really great if younger ones should be able to be guaranteed internet access without bullshit assaulting them including commerrcial stuff which in a lot of ways is just as offensive. Another note to a potential FSC offensive campaign... turn attention to outlawing marketing directly to minors on TV.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I'm slapping my knee.

Adult Sites Against Child Pornography - that I can back whole heartedly.

Some organization that thinks they are the God of internet porn & they need to save the kids whose parents are too fucking stupid/ignorant/lazy to monitor their online activity? Fuck them.

Maybe they should remove the "Child" from their name.

I wondering how some of the major sponsors who are flying their banners are going to react.