How to become a real adult webmaster in 5 days!

MrYum · 2005-12-11, 01:39 PM

Very well said Max

No one here begrudges new people getting into the biz, after all we were all new at some point. But, getting bad advice...then propagating that advice...then coming here and flaming a respected member of the community is definitely not the way to proceed. If you're serious about this business, you really should read what Max said very carefully and take it to heart. From the sounds of things, it's probably the best advice you've received to date regarding online adult.

xprimer · 2005-12-11, 03:53 PM

Max,
First, thank you for taking the time to write such a long reply. Perhaps if Stiff would have just sent me an email just to say WTF we would not have gone this route. The fact of the matter is that this "respected" member of this board did not bother to do ANYTHING except blacklist one of his "partners". He certainly did not have a problem with anything on my previous posts until he saw my EPS promotion. As a noob I am always looking to do things better and learn from those that have come before me. Every thing you said is sinking in. However, I would like to make a few more points here:

1) I did not flame Stiff. I have been on the internet for many years and if you think that was a flame, I could write one for you that will make you re-think that. But that is not why I am here.

2) I never said that I am trying to make "easy" money. I said I am trying to make "honest" money. And I do that to the best of my knowledge.

3) Your right about FF. I did not check it out in FF until you said something. Man, whoa it looks like sh!t.. That came from using FrontPage and Webstyle. I gotta fix that. I will also re-word some of it while I am at it.

4) What do you mean by private WHOIS? There is nothing private about it. I don't know where Stiff did his whois search but if you go to the authority on the subject you will see he is clearly wrong. I went to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jhtml
and the info comes up. ON THE OTHER HAND, if you lookup mrstiff.com you will get: Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (fc8912ae25ae49e99d7d49c848e3eb5b.protect@whoisguard.com)

Now you tell me which one of us is hiding?

5) I have heard different things on 2257 from MANY sources. I hear and believe what you say but not sure what to do about it. Many sponsors will not provide all the needed info until you have been around for a while. It seems like a Chicken and the Egg scenario. Some of my other sites do not house or display any pornographic images. Perhaps I need to go with that approach until I can actually get enough 2257 material to post.

6) As for the screen resolution. I know the general rule about 800X600. I was tired when I put that one together and it's certainly not my best work. Quite frankly, I do not expect to be doing the TGP submissions forever. Rather they seem like a starting point for getting my feet wet.

7) Don't knock EPS unless you know them. Granted they don't have all the answers. But don't judge them by one post that I did, or by the sales page I put together. They actually have an extensive network of resources and some very good 2257 info. The eBook they sell clearly points out that the way I do the 2257 links on my page isn't good enough. (I just went back and re-read it). I guess I won't be posting again for a while anyway until I can find some sponsors that openly provide this information to affiliates. (Got any suggestions?)

I did not come here to make trouble. I found this page by looking at my stats and seeing who liked to my site. I looked at the post and got really p!ssed to see the way Stiff handled it. I am not a trouble maker and I like to learn from others. But I also tend to get offended when someone tries to burn me. That said, I hope the rest of you will forgive my intrusion.

Mr. Stiff · 2005-12-11, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xprimer

Perhaps if Stiff would have just sent me an email just to say WTF we would not have gone this route.

That's Mr. Stiff...

First lets get one thing straight.. Site owners own their site. They make up the rules. As a submitter you don't have any rights. I don't need to contact you before blacklisting you.
Hell, i've been blacklisted to by some sites, so be it.

And I'm not a bad guy, my blacklists aren't for life..

I figured you would contact me as soon as I blacklisted you. And it seems you did. I respect the fact your posting in this thread, in front of other webmasters!

The reason I posted this here. is because many webmasters are worried about the saturation taking place and wonder where all the newbies come from. I figured this was a nice thing to get discussion started (and it did.. :-) ). Nothing personal.

As far as your EPS promotion.. I think it's wrong. It might be a personal believe, but I think these kind of things screw up 'our business'.
Sure, everybody has to start somewhere and everybody was a noob once, but this is not the way to do it. If someone needs ebooks and instruction videos to create a site/page they should be creating a familly homepage with pictures of last summers BBQ, not an adult webpage.

As for EPS is concerned; they are killing their own business. They also sent me a (very polite!) copyright notice, so I removed the mirror.

Quote:

1) I did not flame Stiff.

Indeed you didn't

Quote:

Now you tell me which one of us is hiding?

Yeah, I use private whois,
but there are only two things I'm hiding for, and those are spammers and the outrageous taxes they have over here..

MadMax · 2005-12-12, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xprimer

I did not come here to make trouble. I found this page by looking at my stats and seeing who liked to my site. I looked at the post and got really p!ssed to see the way Stiff handled it. I am not a trouble maker and I like to learn from others. But I also tend to get offended when someone tries to burn me. That said, I hope the rest of you will forgive my intrusion.

I didn't think you came here to make trouble, I just thought you were ill informed

You're not intruding here, and I was sincere when I welcomed you to the board. The online adult biz is full of pitfalls and simple mistakes that can burn you for a good long time, and the magical thing about this biz is that in a place like this you can get the answer to just about anything you're wondering just by raising your hand

2005-12-11, 01:39 PM	#1
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Very well said Max No one here begrudges new people getting into the biz, after all we were all new at some point. But, getting bad advice...then propagating that advice...then coming here and flaming a respected member of the community is definitely not the way to proceed. If you're serious about this business, you really should read what Max said very carefully and take it to heart. From the sounds of things, it's probably the best advice you've received to date regarding online adult. __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-12-11, 03:53 PM	#2
xprimer Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 7	Great Advice - Mostly Max, First, thank you for taking the time to write such a long reply. Perhaps if Stiff would have just sent me an email just to say WTF we would not have gone this route. The fact of the matter is that this "respected" member of this board did not bother to do ANYTHING except blacklist one of his "partners". He certainly did not have a problem with anything on my previous posts until he saw my EPS promotion. As a noob I am always looking to do things better and learn from those that have come before me. Every thing you said is sinking in. However, I would like to make a few more points here: 1) I did not flame Stiff. I have been on the internet for many years and if you think that was a flame, I could write one for you that will make you re-think that. But that is not why I am here. 2) I never said that I am trying to make "easy" money. I said I am trying to make "honest" money. And I do that to the best of my knowledge. 3) Your right about FF. I did not check it out in FF until you said something. Man, whoa it looks like sh!t.. That came from using FrontPage and Webstyle. I gotta fix that. I will also re-word some of it while I am at it. 4) What do you mean by private WHOIS? There is nothing private about it. I don't know where Stiff did his whois search but if you go to the authority on the subject you will see he is clearly wrong. I went to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jhtml and the info comes up. ON THE OTHER HAND, if you lookup mrstiff.com you will get: Registrant Contact: WhoisGuard WhoisGuard Protected (fc8912ae25ae49e99d7d49c848e3eb5b.protect@whoisguard.com) Now you tell me which one of us is hiding? 5) I have heard different things on 2257 from MANY sources. I hear and believe what you say but not sure what to do about it. Many sponsors will not provide all the needed info until you have been around for a while. It seems like a Chicken and the Egg scenario. Some of my other sites do not house or display any pornographic images. Perhaps I need to go with that approach until I can actually get enough 2257 material to post. 6) As for the screen resolution. I know the general rule about 800X600. I was tired when I put that one together and it's certainly not my best work. Quite frankly, I do not expect to be doing the TGP submissions forever. Rather they seem like a starting point for getting my feet wet. 7) Don't knock EPS unless you know them. Granted they don't have all the answers. But don't judge them by one post that I did, or by the sales page I put together. They actually have an extensive network of resources and some very good 2257 info. The eBook they sell clearly points out that the way I do the 2257 links on my page isn't good enough. (I just went back and re-read it). I guess I won't be posting again for a while anyway until I can find some sponsors that openly provide this information to affiliates. (Got any suggestions?) I did not come here to make trouble. I found this page by looking at my stats and seeing who liked to my site. I looked at the post and got really p!ssed to see the way Stiff handled it. I am not a trouble maker and I like to learn from others. But I also tend to get offended when someone tries to burn me. That said, I hope the rest of you will forgive my intrusion.