A new web cam portal need help to get into the wild.

[laszlo]

Hello there,

Let me intruduce myself, I'm Laszlo, a web developer and project leader. Im new to adult industry and im just ready to launch our first site a Live Adult Web Cam portal.

It's still under development but we ready to drop into the wild as fast as possible. But we still working on it.

Actualy, we got a little problem here. We are not into the adult industry. We have some chatgirls already to be online, but we do not know too much about marketing strategies, trading traffic, publishing galleries, and so on.

So, can you guys help me to figure out things and give some help to start, and learn?

My question, how to make traffic? Should we make 'clone' sites, or feed amatour galleries to tgps? What tools we need to make the traffic flow? We should set up some tgps for our own? Spend tousend of dollars on ads and banners on big tgp sites? Should i seek personals to make 'friends' in this industry, or just autosubmit? How exactly?

I read a LOT of documents about it, but actualy nothing describet exactly.

And yes, i still in trouble about what marketing strategy i have to follow.. Or should i seek for a kick ass marketing guy who knows things well and in the industry for years? Actualy, i want to learn about it. So please help me.

Btw, im really confused.. And sorry for my bad english :/

So, to simplify my questions into one.

What should I do when my site is ready to launch? What is the next step?

Im getting started to understand main concepts.

So, my plan in the next few days.

1 - Build some gallery with our chathosts picture. (Design/Crafting)
2 - Hand submit to some TGP's/LL's. (To see results)
3 - If i got a simple hit then ok, buy an autosubmitter software.
4 - Collect a list of suitable TGP's/LL's what's coverts webcam niches, (detailed couples, girl alone, girl on girl, threesome, and guy alone)
5 - Submit crafted galleries there.
6 - Train an employee to how to use 'autosubmitters' to make daily updates.
7 - Build fake TGP/fake LL to reciproc on my galleries what we submited to everywhere. (Is it allowed?)

Then,

8 - Build a blog-style tgp site for SEO. (Daily chat girls update, with detailed texts, descriptions etc, employee can update it easly)

Mainwhile...

9 - Ask smart guys what affilate programs we should apply.
10 - Ask to how to calculate our prices. (We are not a subscription based paysite :/)

I'm thinking about to give a $50 to every new member who register in our test phase. That's a real credit, but will be zeroed when the site are tested and ready to get into wild. We got some content, so it's not a waste of money in that phase, but we want a great, and stable, and cool, website. So i think, the testing phase is absolutly needed in this type of sites.

Ok, questions here:
-What affilate programs do you advice to apply as a paysite.
-How can i find suitable TGPs/LLs to cover the 'webcam' niche

Bartel offers here:
I have a load of hw capatibilites in hungary. I got two web server idleing on 200mbit international bw, without traffic limits. Im able to bartel web space, for you guys for a link/traffic in the begining. (Not full domains, just media files, or jpegs. I heard about hard to feed an MGP site, becouse of US bw limits. Cuz im a technican, ftp, ssh etc.. account -if needed- will be provided.)

So, i think, we just started to looking for partners.

Im 100% sure, we will hire a 'kick-ass-marketing-guy' as fast as possible, but we still want to learn how to build a little empire, and get traffic in our own.

Can you guys still help me?
- PM me for more information about the site, for MSN contact, or my email.

Thank your time for answering for this post. We really need a hand.

[Greenguy]

That's a lot of questions

One thing that does stick out to me - be careful if you use an auto submitter - a lot of places don't allow them (even if they are in the auto submit program) I honestly can't think of one Link List that allows them.

[Mattinblack]

Depends what traffic you want Lazlo. If you want a lot of uniques or if you are looking for the sort of traffic that comes back daily. If you want to, and can make the traffic stick then any of the above techniques except auto submitters (which will just get you banned) will work for you. If you want uniques then choke traffic and traffic purchase is prob best way. os nowadays there is a lot of 'noise' out there.

To make em stick a lot of cam sites have pages the user can surf to where there are 6-8 girls with slightly racy videos (no nudity) and a chat-bot. the surfer thinks he is watching live, can chat to them and suddenly 'Pling' his daily free time with that girl is expired and the site wants membership.

Its done with cookies and a timer that runs out just before the video does. You update vids daily so you need maybe 30 different 3 min vids for each girl (then you can use an automated script to swap em at midnight) and allow the surfers back on every day... sooner or later they *will* get frustrated enough to buy!

You want it built I can build it. (spam) (spam)

[laszlo]

Hi Greenguy, and mr. Mattinblack!

So, You mean, i have to set up a clone promotional page (a complet website) for feeding some pre-recorded traser video with recorded chat for with each girl for a limited time. Then i need to force the user to be a member, so register. But then what? Ok, i give them an instruction to be a member, but what will be happen when he log in into the real site, and see it's only a few hosts online? (He/She will get MORE fustrated then ;-) And it's not a membership based paysite, it's pay-per-view.

So your solution will make a bad karma for me. But setting up a page for playing treaser for a certain time only, absolutly not a bad idea!

(LiveSexList dot com (if i remember the name correctly) uses almost the same techniq)

To answer Greenguy,

Yeah, i mean not really automatized submiters, i mean using Auto Submitter, and train an employee.. (I really not want to have a bad karma

I did some research, i have no question ATM. I'll have a LOT again in a few days ;] I'll post ;-)

Thank you guys, have a nice day!

[juggernaut]

The best advice I can give you is one that I would love to follow but can not due to my payout %. But from my research over the last year, the very best thing to get traffic is to pay WM. Start a really high paying PPS program and you should get WM to sign up and promo you. Now all this time you are going to put into building FS, gals etc. Well make them also but offer them to the WM as promo tools (host them on your server, and give the WM a good solid way of tracking the results). This is a standard thing you see most of the really big cam sites doing. They count on upsales for their profits. Cause heres the facts about the cam biz. You can have the coolest site in the world, best features cam to cam, sound, HQ cam, etc. Hell I have seen sites with cam shows that look like you are watching TV. But if you don't have traffic you will not get the girls to stay working on your site. That being said, you can have the worste looking site and a shit load of traffic and girls will work there.
Traffic is king with everything web. Let the guys who get it the most, get it for you. Let them target the niche. If they are promoing cams they will work that niche the way it should be. And that will get you sales. More sales means you can put more $ into your site and add better features for your cutomers, etc.

[laszlo]

Hi there Mr. Juggernaut!

So, PPS is Pay Per Signup. That's ok. And what about lifetime % from profit? (A LOT cam site does that, should i do an option to the WM decise what he wants?)

So, you say webmasters likes more the PPS than the lifetime %?

Can you say numbers? How can I calculate a profitable PPS program what webmasters also like?

Anyway, thanks, it's helped much!

UPDATE: So, you mean i also have to provide free web hosting and free promotional tools (like building templates, etc?) for my own marketing material? What do u mean exactly? What webmasters like to have from providers?

[juggernaut]

Well once again I can only tell you my opinon as I don't run one of those programs. I don't think WM are that interested anymore to sign up with lifetime % as there are issues with it. IE shaving. But if you had a solid tracking program that really did track 100% of the customers spending that would be nice to offer them that option.
I did not say WM like more PPS then lifetime %. That is totally up to the WM. Me personnaly, if I was a WM would rather pps as it's a simple get paid when they sign up then having to track stuff. But that's just me.
As far as numbers I can't really help you out, as once again I am not running a program and any numbers I would place up here would only be from my guess work. But what I can tell you is look at some of the programs out there and start doing some math. My calculations showed profits only after a customer purchased 3 shows. Which does happen, about 20% of the show purchased on my current cam site and past one purchased more then twice. Around 60% purchased twice.
To calculate a profitable PPS program you have to look at the whole picture and that includes start up cost for payouts, payout to your models, WM, server, etc. Once you start to factor in all this you should be able to get a idea of the type of program you can offer. Keep in mind there are programs out there that are paying WM $100 per sign up and you will need to compete with that. If you can't compete with the $$ then you need to compete on a differant level, offering things that make it easy for them to promote you.
As far as providing free hosting, free promo tools you are correct. Everything you build and offer it to your WM. IE you build a FS and it's hosted on your server. All the WM has to do is take their linking code and drop it into their LL, TGP or a submit page for a LL or TGP etc. There is a lot more to it then that, but that is the basic idea. I can only tell you to read more around this board, and you will learn a lot.
I don't know everything about running a successful cam site. I can only tell you what I have learned or think I have figured out. One thing is 100% for sure was the best advice I was given after I started my sites was, start out with freesites and learn how to manage your traffic, move up to a tgp, then LL then paysite then camsite.
Camsites can be the most profitable sites to own if done correctly by smart people. It's a learning process that unfortunatly most people want to by pass and start right out with the big money maker which in the end just fails.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by laszlo

Hello there,

10 - Ask to how to calculate our prices. (We are not a subscription based paysite :/)

Thank your time for answering for this post. We really need a hand.

Pricing depends on how you pay the models. There are two different types which work or worked in the past - at least for me. You can pay on a per minute base, so the model gets her share from the fee the user has to pay. The other is you pay the model a regular fee like an employee. As you will bill the user on a pay per minute base, the best is to give the model a percentage of it and don´t hire them on a monthly base. The latter can be a pain in the ass. Have you ever tried to wake up a camgirl to appear in front of the cam just in time?

So that´s why you can´t run a pps system, you´ll have to pay the webmaster on a percentage base, unless you will make your income from upsells like the big programs do.

if you need further information feel free to contact me "info at ae-media dot com".

[laszlo]

Actually, the most important question is, what method the masters like.

Both of them suitable. For the example webmaster got $15 for PPS, OR 35% on every credit buy.

With PPS, i'll earn on upsells. The second upsell will make me profit. (If $30 is the minimum amount of credits, and about 35% goes to hosts from every spend)

We will not hire (and not ever to think about to hire) hosts for a montly basic. They get money after *their* shows per minute.

So, I think you are right, but maybe it's possible to pay PPS with profit on upsells, if my program converts well then lower PPS can work too.

I'm slowly going to post a thread about what features do you want in your perfect affilate program, and the design phase will start.

And after all, I have to give a big thanks to this board. It's showed me the way. (Actualy just where the path begins, but that's good for a start.. isnt? ;])

Our freesites are just building, we are having a lot of new ideas, and we have working on our strategy.

Have a busy day! ;-)

cheers

[Mattinblack]

Lazlo maybe you could think about having a teaser portal - that is to say a webmaster links from his page to an image on your server that updates say every 5 seconds from girls who are offline (ie no real paying client) but who are scantily dressed etc. You would need to replace this with a recorded feed if no girls available... you give the webmaster the graphics and some Jscript to show it on his site along with his affiliate link code...

[laszlo]

We should do that. Every registered and agreed hosts will can record promotional treasers (actualy they can do, it's already implemented) into our video format. That format will be exportet into; sequenced jpegs, (with javascript refresh) into mpeg movies, (low frame, but embended mediaplayer can play), java client (with iframe, becouse of java security policy), and maybe a flash client. So everybody can choosie what is ok for they. Actualy we will have enough treaser (rules: no face but nudity, face without nudity, and so on, closups etc) to rotate.

We thinking about to hosts galleries too. (Provide images, to webmasters) Actualy we have to talk about this with a lawyer. But i think (im not sure) if we host the galleries, (for example a freesite) then that's ok. (Lawyer will figoure it out.) So, we thinking about to make a little easy to use CMS (Content Managment System) for our webmasters, to build freesites, galleries etc and host with our pictures/texts. So we should generate a simple template and we will provide an ftp account to modify the html/design. Also we will build a rotation system for recips and links too. So I think it's possible to make the webmasters life easier with some programming. (Btw is it a suitable idea, or webmasters/link lists etc dosn't like that, i think it's fair.)

We also going to make hi-quality pictures (taken by a photographer) from some hosts whose works from a studio. (But the number of these type of pictures will be limited)

We thinking about to make sound, (ask the host to read up some text what we written into a portable format, such as ogg, or mp3) So, maybe we will have 'audio' for adversiting too. (I think we also have to make a player for that, and of cors, the user will have to press the play button) (Quick question: on freesites, this kind of adverstiting is allowed? There will be no automatic play sound on load or something, the user have to press a play button (in flash movie))

We also going to set up an affilate site for other camsites, paysites etc, to know how other affilate programs works. To learn some before we going into deeper in development on that thread.

Actualy, we have resource to one freesite design template per day. I think it's also possible to reuse by other webmasters. (But maybe they will not get listed, becouse we are going to submit on link lists too)

PS: Sorry for my typos, if you got headache reading my post, -sorry again- post me an url to a great online english teacher! ;]