Dont submit sites with cheater LLs recips

[Mr. Blue]

lol, I run TGP's and it's pretty much the same mentality. I mean there's 4000 or so TGPs out there and around 40 that actually update and send decent traffic daily.

When I started submitting freesites again I used the quality over quantity equation and it seems to work nicely that way. Still, if there's a specific LL that pisses you off because they've cheated one way or another...it just seems easier to me to post their names on your rules page.

[Surfn]

I see several of you asking us to add the sites we won't list to our rules/submit pages. My reply is simple: Why should we do that when they come and go?

Here's the best tip for not getting rejected by any LL for having a link to someone they don't like for whatever reason, look at their friends list. Most lists have a list of friends longer than the number of recips most submitters use. Submit to those friends and use their recips and you won't get rejected for putting a link list in what they consider a bad neighborhood.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Surfn

I see several of you asking us to add the sites we won't list to our rules/submit pages. My reply is simple: Why should we do that when they come and go?

I only submit to 22 LL and they're all well known, but for argument sake, let me just take a wack at this topic.

If you have a specific list of say 15 LL's that you deem cheating...that would take up maybe 1 line or 2 on the rules page. Wouldn't it ultimately save you time, the submitter time, etc by just posting it? I mean FilthyEarl for example, I know who UW doesn't want to be linked with and I don't. I also removed them from my submit list ages ago because of it. Just from this thread we have this list:

Cherry Picked Links, Porn Fresh, Fetish Crawler, J Loves Porn, fuckthensuck, linksforadult, flashinglinks, webadultlinks

For me it just seems like a quicker method. Linkster also stated, "...there are a lot of LL owners posting on this board who dont care that they cheat." For me it just makes it too much of a guessing game to figure out which linklist owner would think one thing is cheating and one thing isn't cheating.

So, throw 'em under the bus if you think they cheat, let the submitter know. For me the rules page is the guidelines to get listed or not...leaving out information just causes extra work for all involved.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I only submit to 22 LL and they're all well known, but for argument sake, let me just take a wack at this topic.

If you have a specific list of say 15 LL's that you deem cheating...that would take up maybe 1 line or 2 on the rules page. Wouldn't it ultimately save you time, the submitter time, etc by just posting it? I mean FilthyEarl for example, I know who UW doesn't want to be linked with and I don't. I also removed them from my submit list ages ago because of it. Just from this thread we have this list:

Cherry Picked Links, Porn Fresh, Fetish Crawler, J Loves Porn, fuckthensuck, linksforadult, flashinglinks, webadultlinks

For me it just seems like a quicker method. Linkster also stated, "...there are a lot of LL owners posting on this board who dont care that they cheat." For me it just makes it too much of a guessing game to figure out which linklist owner would think one thing is cheating and one thing isn't cheating.

So, throw 'em under the bus if you think they cheat, let the submitter know. For me the rules page is the guidelines to get listed or not...leaving out information just causes extra work for all involved.

Who said this businesses is easy? Like I said I'm not going to bother listing them. Want to get listed with me use reputable lists other than mine.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Surfn

Who said this businesses is easy? Like I said I'm not going to bother listing them. Want to get listed with me use reputable lists other than mine.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to run anything. I'm just giving my opinion based on my experience as a submitter and as a TGP owner. I've always viewed the rules page as the Holy Grail to getting listed. As a submitter if I follow the rules, I hope my chances of getting listed at TGPs/LLs are better than average. If there are implied rules that aren't specified by a LL or TGP owner...I just think it creates a needless step in the process for both owner and submitter.

[Mateusz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to run anything. I'm just giving my opinion based on my experience as a submitter and as a TGP owner. I've always viewed the rules page as the Holy Grail to getting listed. As a submitter if I follow the rules, I hope my chances of getting listed at TGPs/LLs are better than average. If there are implied rules that aren't specified by a LL or TGP owner...I just think it creates a needless step in the process for both owner and submitter.

I submit only few LL and I know none of the owners cheat but I second what Mr. Blue said.
And yes.. it changes a lot when LL owners inform their submiters about decline reason (as Linkseter said) but otherwise IMO it's a bit unfair.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Mateusz

I submit only few LL and I know none of the owners cheat but I second what Mr. Blue said.
And yes.. it changes a lot when LL owners inform their submiters about decline reason (as Linkster said) but otherwise IMO it's a bit unfair.

I'd have to agree. It's not fair to reject a site because of the submitter's inability to read the reviewer's mind. If the reviewer takes the time to inform the submitter of the reason why and let them resubmit if they choose to make the necesary change(s), then that's fine.

I personally don't know of very many lists that I can call cheaters/scumbags. So, if you see me sticking with a short list, that's because they are the only ones that I've seen reputable board members complain about. I have no reason to believe that there are more than the ones that have been named in this thread.