Regarding "Roman Maroni" reason once again

[MadMax]

I think the most important thing to remember about the LL owners who are members of the community here is that we tend to police ourselves. If you've got proof that some Link List or another is intentionally fucking over submitters then post it here. Call them out for a public thrashing like only other LL owners can dish out. Sure there are scumsucking LL owners out there, and they're bad for business. If you can't name at least 3 link lists that have caused you to have the opinion you posted earlier, you might as well be bitching about the black helicopters that fly over your house to spy on you.

We LOVE our submitters. Sometimes in the unwholesome ways that will get the Republicans on our case. Any LL owner with their head anywhere except their ass knows that the ONLY way to succeed with the LL business plan is to find good submitters and list as many of their sites as possible, then send them as much traffic as you possibly can. Believe me, the two hits from a recip link on a declined site is worth one fuck of a lot less to a link list than a listing that has value to the surfers.

I can get a rough idea from my sponsor and traffic stats what percentage of my traffic goes to my submitters as opposed to my own links, and I like to keep it at around 90% to the submitters (and there are a variety of ways I can control that).

Ecchi, the shit you're taking right now is the result of your broad generalization, and while I understand that perhaps you didn't INTEND to say that "only a few" link lists are like that, you made a broad generalization nonetheless.

[ecchi]

TOBY

am fully aware that there are cheats and scoundrels out there

Then when I infer that some LL WMs use underhand practises why do you say "That is 100% pure USDA prime bullshit."?

ecchi, You've made some rather broad assumptions and statements about LL owners as a group.

When? All I inferred was that there are some that use underhand practises.

you've insulted the integrity of some very good people

Not true, it is you who insulted their integrity by assuming that when I pointed out that "it is in their interest" that this meant they all must do it. I never said any such thing.

SURFN

I don't like people that stir shit just to make other people think they know some dark untold secrets.

I don't see that it is stirring shit to say that some webmasters are dishonest, I thought that was common knowledge. And as to knowing some "dark untold secrets", the only "secret" I told was that some LL owners use underhand methods, I doubt if there is a single webmaster or even surfer who is unaware of this !

USELESS WARRIOR

Could you please show me where I said that?

Post 103 - "Your whole argument is baseless, preposterous, and completely unfair."

Why does your apology sound like another insult to me?

I have no idea, I assume you are just trying to find fault with me to give you an excuse to continue this argument.

But your initial statements about link lists seemed to imply that it's some secret general policy to screw the submitter.

I have no problem with the majority of LLs myself, however the fact that you and Toby assume that when I say "it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites" this means that all of them will automatically do this, kind of gives the impression that both of you have it in the back of your minds that all LL owners are crooks, otherwise why would you jump to this conclusion from an innocent comment like this ?

Who? We're not above naming names. Point them out.

When I find a site I have reason to object to I just drop it from my list, I don't keep a blacklist except in extreme circumstances. However even if I did I am above naming names.

MAD MAX

If you've got proof that some Link List or another is intentionally fucking over submitters then post it here.

(Same reply as on my last point to Useless Warrior.)

Any LL owner with their head anywhere except their ass knows that the ONLY way to succeed with the LL business plan is to find good submitters and list as many of their sites as possible, then send them as much traffic as you possibly can.

Yes, but they don't all have "their head anywhere except their ass", a few have it firmly embedded up there.

If you can't name at least 3 link lists that have caused you to have the opinion you posted earlier, you might as well be bitching about the black helicopters that fly over your house to spy on you.

I don't keep grudges, I don't keep a sad little black book of people who do me wrong, I just drop them and move on. As to "bitching about the black helicopters", the sort of paranoiac who does this IS the sort of person who keeps a grudge book. If I were that sort of person I would be able to list more that three (and be prepared to list their names in an open forum).

I understand that perhaps you didn't INTEND to say that "only a few" link lists are like that

Umm is this a typo or did you misunderstand me, because I DID intend to say that only a few link lists are like this.

the shit you're taking right now is the result of your broad generalization

I made no broad generalisation. I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here, but I think (and I apologise if I am misunderstanding this paragraph of your post) that you, like Toby and Useless Warrior, are assuming that because I say "it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites" this means that all of them will automatically do this. As I said before, this kind of gives the impression that you have it in the back of your minds that all LL owners are crooks, otherwise why would you jump to this conclusion from an innocent comment like this ?

[MrYum]

Oh for the love of

Ecchi, you're obviously an intelligent and articulate guy. Can you honestly look in the mirror and claim that the statement "it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites" is NOT an overbroad generalization???

Making that statement with no qualifier of 'some' or 'a few' (as you're NOW claiming)...implies all link lists are run in that underhanded manner. I think you'll find that the vast majority of list owners who regularly post in these forums are in fact upstanding business people. THAT is in their best interests for long term success which is exactly why they're here. And as Max said, on the occasion when a list owner is doing naughty things, they're outted and summarily flogged in public.

Given that you've now 'adjusted' your statements to 'some' or 'a few' link lists, it's difficult to fathom why you can't simply admit that your prior statements were in fact overbroad generalizations.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Any LL owner with their head anywhere except their ass knows that the ONLY way to succeed with the LL business plan is to find good submitters and list as many of their sites as possible, then send them as much traffic as you possibly can.

The same goes for TGPs...it's kind of a simple theory really. Good submitters are the lifeblood of any TGP / LL...if you don't have good submitters, if you try to stack your site with FHG or Hosted Freesites, you'll soon find the surfer gets bored and leaves your site. Also, if you don't list quality submitters, if you don't send them traffic, if you don't make it easy for them to submit, if you have hidden rules that get their galleries tossed, etc...By all means follow that methodology and you'll soon have no quality submitters.

The LL/TGP that realize submitters are an asset and not a hinderance are the ones that end up successful.

As for ecchi's statement, he was way too general and broad in his assessment, but there are LL and TGPs that do follow certain practices that are questionable. The best way to deal with LL/TGP that have questionable practices is to delete them from your database. If a LL/TGP has a stupid rule the best way to deal with them is...delete them from your database.

See how that works? lol, basically as a submitter you should actively choose to submit to sites that respect you as a submitter. When the owner of a LL/TGP and a submitter has a healthy friendly relationship it's a win win situation for both.

[Useless]

Well, I've officially become annoyed by this thread. Took longer than usually, but it finally happened. You can't really spend much time arguing with someone who submits his free sites to 100 link lists yet doesn't know who owns link lists on THE link list/free site board. You also can't argue with someone who says that it's in the best interest of link lists to reject "the more profitable sites" whatever the fuck that means.

Here's the truth. Link lists NEED to list submitted free sites. A link list that only listed HFSs would fail due to the lack of back links and reciprocal linking. Link lists want to list the best free sites they can find. I thought that was obvious, but I guess it isn't.

Are there rotten fucks who own link lists? Of course.
Yahook
Fortunately, there are very,very few. Certainly not enough to warrant this conversation.

Ecchi, please don't take my tone as hostility. This is just how I speak. BTW, I liked your old avatar better.

[ecchi]

Can you honestly look in the mirror and claim that the statement "it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites" is NOT an overbroad generalization???

Read the line through again. My error is actually that it does not infer that anyone does this. If I said "it is in a driver's interest to drive safely" would you assume that this meant that all driver's drive safely? No you would not, it is just that you subconsciously think badly of LL owners yourself, so see bad things about them whatever you read.

Given that you've now 'adjusted' your statements to 'some' or 'a few' link lists

I have not 'adjusted' my statements, I 'explained' them for people who misinterpreted them. (Should I say "for the few people who misinterpreted them" before someone points out that not all members of this board did so.)

it's difficult to fathom why you can't simply admit that your prior statements were in fact overbroad generalizations

Because if I did I would be lying, and my mother brought me up better than that.

As for ecchi's statement, ........ the best way to deal with them is...delete them from your database.

A long way back I pointed out that I do this. However Useless Warrior and Mad Max have already posted to say I should not do this, I should keep a list of everyone who wrongs me and get revenge by posting their names on the boards.

it's in the best interest of link lists to reject "the more profitable sites" whatever the fuck that means.

If you don't even know what it means, then why the fuck are you arguing about it ?

You can't really spend much time arguing with someone who submits his free sites to 100 link lists yet doesn't know who owns link lists on THE link list/free site board.

Exactly what is the point of going through the profiles and learning everyone else's business? At best that is a waste of time, at worst an invasion of privacy. I assume everyone here works in the online porn industry in some way and that is all I need to know. I have no need learn everything about their business life just to post on the board. And to suggest that this is necessary to post here is more than a little ridiculous.

Here's the truth. Link lists NEED to list submitted free sites. A link list that only listed HFSs would fail due to the lack of back links and reciprocal linking. Link lists want to list the best free sites they can find. I thought that was obvious, but I guess it isn't.

Jesus Christ change the record will you. You keep saying this and I keep pointing out that this is not the issue here. Even those who strongly disagree with my posts admit that some LL owners do not play fair.

Ecchi, please don't take my tone as hostility.

This is an open board, if I post something other members are free to post whatever they like about my post. If I was likely to take offence at the tone of the posts, then I should avoid posting.

[MrYum]

Okay, I don't have time to continue this debate over symantics. I and apparently several other people think your statements were overbroad generalizations...and I certainly do not think subconsciously or otherwise that most link list owners do 'bad things'. The vast majority of my best friends in this business are in fact link list owners.

All that said, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one...cuz I'm done banging my head against this wall

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Okay, I don't have time to continue this debate over symantics. I and apparently several other people think your statements were overbroad generalizations...and I certainly do not think subconsciously or otherwise that most link list owners do 'bad things'. The vast majority of my best friends in this business are in fact link list owners.

All that said, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one...cuz I'm done banging my head against this wall

Mr Yum dont bang your head, thats not needed, all have their own view about linksites and their reviewers, we know about how we review our own list, i know you know, all may post their opinion on this board, that makes this board also very populair, oke their is an difference if they start to call names to persons like facist or racist or start to asume LL s will reject good sites , we know better,and about racist.....not for this thread but hell the ones who said some lls are racist on this board should realy meet my hubby, fact is, all can do what they want when they make a free site, sure make is chinese, english whatever, but dont nag if some linksites reject or blacklist you if they dont like the bad english, no mather how your site is doing in ses and nop no linksite will reject a quality site, quality will attrack surfers and make then come back...........maybe i talk shit, and maybe some will post now, yes you talk shit.but then i dont care you can all kiss my dutch ass who dont agree So Mr Yum, i know how you do on the net, dont banghead and for real who cares what others are thinking of your or my ll, your ll, your rules, fuck them all

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Okay, I don't have time to continue this debate over symantics. I and apparently several other people think your statements were overbroad generalizations...and I certainly do not think subconsciously or otherwise that most link list owners do 'bad things'. The vast majority of my best friends in this business are in fact link list owners.

All that said, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one...cuz I'm done banging my head against this wall

It really is pointless arguing with his

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Surfn

It really is pointless arguing with his

also what surfn said......yeah yeah i am in my simple mode