Are autosubmitters true evil?

[RawAlex]

Here is the deal: Autosubmitters create a bunch of problems if they are run in full auto or near full auto mode:

1 - people don't read rules, rule updates, news, or information regarding the link site.

2 - forms are often not filled properly, sites are often placed in either non-existant cats or the wrong cat... fields are filled out with guessed information (field name is name, so they put their personal name rather than the name of their site).

3 - autosubmitters are often slow to adapt to new forms, new submit page locations, or other.

4 - a drunk monkey with an auto site builder and autosubmit software can build and submit hundreds of useless, unlistable free sites every day, taking away hours of valuable time from hundreds of link sites and TGPs left to deal with the shit that these programs spew.

5 - I review by hand. If my traffic and being listed on PR2-pr4 pages isn't enough to make it worth it for you to take a few seconds to actually fill out the form and verify the information, I can't find the few seconds to review your site. It's all about respect.

Alex

[hjnet]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Here is the deal: Autosubmitters create a bunch of problems if they are run in full auto or near full auto mode:

1 - people don't read rules, rule updates, news, or information regarding the link site.

2 - forms are often not filled properly, sites are often placed in either non-existant cats or the wrong cat... fields are filled out with guessed information (field name is name, so they put their personal name rather than the name of their site).

3 - autosubmitters are often slow to adapt to new forms, new submit page locations, or other.

4 - a drunk monkey with an auto site builder and autosubmit software can build and submit hundreds of useless, unlistable free sites every day, taking away hours of valuable time from hundreds of link sites and TGPs left to deal with the shit that these programs spew.

5 - I review by hand. If my traffic and being listed on PR2-pr4 pages isn't enough to make it worth it for you to take a few seconds to actually fill out the form and verify the information, I can't find the few seconds to review your site. It's all about respect.

Alex

Right, but the discussion was about Manual Submission Tools like AdvancedSubmitter, not Autosubmitters.
I actually see the problem with autosubmitters, and I consider autosubmitting at all as a bad move for Site owners and submitters, exactly for the reasons you've mentioned.

That's why I never enable autosubmitting for any of AdvancedSubmitters Databases, they're all prepared to setup recips properly, and to work as a form filler. And if I take the numbers of LinkList databases that were sold during the last 6 months I'd say they get used quite frequently, and I've never heard that any site owner would have a problem with it.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by hjnet

Right, but the discussion was about Manual Submission Tools like AdvancedSubmitter, not Autosubmitters.
I actually see the problem with autosubmitters, and I consider autosubmitting at all as a bad move for Site owners and submitters, exactly for the reasons you've mentioned.

That's why I never enable autosubmitting for any of AdvancedSubmitters Databases, they're all prepared to setup recips properly, and to work as a form filler. And if I take the numbers of LinkList databases that were sold during the last 6 months I'd say they get used quite frequently, and I've never heard that any site owner would have a problem with it.

I have zero tolerance for "oopses" one time and you are history. Like Alex said I check them all by hand and expect my submitters to do them by hand. I know I have one or two using a script to submit but so far no oopses

[Useless]

I think a form filler, such as Roboform, is an excellent tool in the hands of an experienced and intelligent submitter. But if you are a tool yourself, it will get you all kinds of fucked up. A reviewer isn't going to accept mistakes such as seeing an URL in the title field or your name in the addy field very often. When I see those types of mistakes, it tells me that the submitter is either too fucking lazy to verify the form before hitting submit or they are firing on auto and not using a simple form filler.