Bush Administration wants Google Porn Search info

RawAlex · 2006-01-20, 09:42 AM

Sleeper, actually, I think they are trying to prove that minors COULD access free porn and pictures. Take the top searches in a week, assume that even 1% of the are made by minors, look at the sites that were visited... did they have adult warnings before showing hardcore porn?

TGPs and MGPs are in a pretty tough place because most of them have midcore to hardcore images or ads right on page 1 without a single hint of a warning or other... no landing pages. Those sites are the ones in my mind that would be used to show "how easy it is to get hardcore porn online".

Can you see where this is headed? COPA3? Adult meta tags on every pages and all browsers ordered to support it?

Hmm.

Alex

kenny · 2006-01-20, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sleeper, actually, I think they are trying to prove that minors COULD access free porn and pictures. Take the top searches in a week, assume that even 1% of the are made by minors, look at the sites that were visited... did they have adult warnings before showing hardcore porn?

TGPs and MGPs are in a pretty tough place because most of them have midcore to hardcore images or ads right on page 1 without a single hint of a warning or other... no landing pages. Those sites are the ones in my mind that would be used to show "how easy it is to get hardcore porn online".

Can you see where this is headed? COPA3? Adult meta tags on every pages and all browsers ordered to support it?

Hmm.

Alex

I know that.

But, the morning news shows had people on saying that the reason for this was to combat child p0rn - which is totally bogus

kenny · 2006-01-20, 11:26 AM

The courts already decided this age verification thing isn't a good idea.

You can't enforce it. The internet is a global thing.

The court said filtering software was better means to prevent minors from accessing online porn.

They are right - I don't know why the federal government insist on appealing this.

Even if they eventually win it won't work.

If parents were worried about it they would use filtering software. I can see softcore porn all day long on HBO and cinemax.

Hell it's probably on network TV.

Explicit lyrics that suggest hardcore sex acts is in every other song kids listen to these days.

Parents need to parent there children if it's such a huge concern.

Do you want to know what fucks us in the long run?

These fucking spammers stuffing fucking porn emails in every other twelve year old's inbox.

The fuckers hijacking computers and forcing porn popups.. Some guy could surf porn one day and the next day his children are being redirected to a bisexual midget website.

The fuckers who buy domain names that have nothing to do with porn and make them porn sites *cough* - whitehouse.com

AOL/Yahoo fucking chatroom spammers - take a wild guess of the average age of people who go to chatrooms

See we have all these people pissing everybody off and it's making it hard for all of us.

This would never have been a issue if you had to actually look for porn opposed to having it shoved down your throat.

Now the government is increasingly combating this thing and they don't know what the hell they are doing. They are just going to fuck the honest webmasters.

Linkster · 2006-01-20, 11:49 AM

Yall need to read the actual filing motion to get the info from Google.

The reason the government is doing this is because they were told back when COPA was at the appeals level that they could get the decision reversed if they came back with hard data that showed access to free stuff was available - and that is the whole basis for this action - the government hasnt ever accepted the ruling and they intend to go back to the court this year and get it reversed.
As far as I can see from the actual rulings back when COPA was reversed the government already has enough to do it if they have Yahoo and MSN's data - and we should all be forced into warning pages with AVS entrances and labelling within the year since no one on the adult side is really fighting this battle anymore. Google's data would just be icing on the cake if they were to get a judge to sign off on this new request to force Google to comply (which will probably happen within a week).

No Im not one of those sky is falling people - Ive just taken the time to read the entire filings and looks pretty open and shut that COPA will go through this time with no problem since ACLU and the others that were originally involved seem to have pulled out

kenny · 2006-01-20, 11:57 AM

What if a simple "warning" page isn't adequate.

Then what?

What if they draw it up where you have to use a credit card to see any porn.

The US webmasters will be fucked.

Surfn · 2006-01-20, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper

What if a simple "warning" page isn't adequate.

Then what?

What if they draw it up where you have to use a credit card to see any porn.

The US webmasters will be fucked.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Facts please.

kenny · 2006-01-20, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Facts please.

What part of "What if" do you not understand?

kenny · 2006-01-20, 12:14 PM

Besides for the most part they way online adult is set up now..

It wouldn't work for just the US webmasters to use warning pages.

Warning pages aren't going to stop access to all those TGP galleries or pages within the warning page.

especially if they are using search engines to find it.

What are we suppose to do?

Use .htaccess to redirect all incoming hits to a warning page and then use robots.txt to tell search engines not to index any page except the first one. Oh.. and you can forget ever making a TGP gallery

That would only work if every porn site in the world had to do that.

US webmasters would be crushed by foreign competition.

Linkster · 2006-01-20, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper

What if a simple "warning" page isn't adequate.

Then what?

What if they draw it up where you have to use a credit card to see any porn.

The US webmasters will be fucked.

Sleeper - you need to go read the original COPA - thats exactly what it was and is what they want to institute - you would have to have a verifiable credit card to get in to any porn - and warning pages arent even close to enough. And actually my private belief is that US webmasters would make a killing on it

kenny · 2006-01-20, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

And actually my private belief is that US webmasters would make a killing on it

How so when every other country on the planet earth is giving it away for free?

plateman · 2006-01-20, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper

The courts already decided this age verification thing isn't a good idea.

You can't enforce it. The internet is a global thing.

The court said filtering software was better means to prevent minors from accessing online porn.

They are right - I don't know why the federal government insist on appealing this.

Even if they eventually win it won't work.

If parents were worried about it they would use filtering software. I can see softcore porn all day long on HBO and cinemax.

Hell it's probably on network TV.

Explicit lyrics that suggest hardcore sex acts is in every other song kids listen to these days.

Parents need to parent there children if it's such a huge concern.

Do you want to know what fucks us in the long run?

These fucking spammers stuffing fucking porn emails in every other twelve year old's inbox.

The fuckers hijacking computers and forcing porn popups.. Some guy could surf porn one day and the next day his children are being redirected to a bisexual midget website.

The fuckers who buy domain names that have nothing to do with porn and make them porn sites *cough* - whitehouse.com

AOL/Yahoo fucking chatroom spammers - take a wild guess of the average age of people who go to chatrooms

See we have all these people pissing everybody off and it's making it hard for all of us.

This would never have been a issue if you had to actually look for porn opposed to having it shoved down your throat.

Now the government is increasingly combating this thing and they don't know what the hell they are doing. They are just going to fuck the honest webmasters.

100% agreed the cheaters and spammers have ruined everything in life from insurrance to the internet...

2006-01-20, 11:26 AM	#3
kenny No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 233	The courts already decided this age verification thing isn't a good idea. You can't enforce it. The internet is a global thing. The court said filtering software was better means to prevent minors from accessing online porn. They are right - I don't know why the federal government insist on appealing this. Even if they eventually win it won't work. If parents were worried about it they would use filtering software. I can see softcore porn all day long on HBO and cinemax. Hell it's probably on network TV. Explicit lyrics that suggest hardcore sex acts is in every other song kids listen to these days. Parents need to parent there children if it's such a huge concern. Do you want to know what fucks us in the long run? These fucking spammers stuffing fucking porn emails in every other twelve year old's inbox. The fuckers hijacking computers and forcing porn popups.. Some guy could surf porn one day and the next day his children are being redirected to a bisexual midget website. The fuckers who buy domain names that have nothing to do with porn and make them porn sites cough - whitehouse.com AOL/Yahoo fucking chatroom spammers - take a wild guess of the average age of people who go to chatrooms See we have all these people pissing everybody off and it's making it hard for all of us. This would never have been a issue if you had to actually look for porn opposed to having it shoved down your throat. Now the government is increasingly combating this thing and they don't know what the hell they are doing. They are just going to fuck the honest webmasters. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files Last edited by kenny; 2006-01-20 at 11:29 AM..

2006-01-20, 11:49 AM	#4
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Yall need to read the actual filing motion to get the info from Google. The reason the government is doing this is because they were told back when COPA was at the appeals level that they could get the decision reversed if they came back with hard data that showed access to free stuff was available - and that is the whole basis for this action - the government hasnt ever accepted the ruling and they intend to go back to the court this year and get it reversed. As far as I can see from the actual rulings back when COPA was reversed the government already has enough to do it if they have Yahoo and MSN's data - and we should all be forced into warning pages with AVS entrances and labelling within the year since no one on the adult side is really fighting this battle anymore. Google's data would just be icing on the cake if they were to get a judge to sign off on this new request to force Google to comply (which will probably happen within a week). No Im not one of those sky is falling people - Ive just taken the time to read the entire filings and looks pretty open and shut that COPA will go through this time with no problem since ACLU and the others that were originally involved seem to have pulled out __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-01-20, 11:57 AM	#5
kenny No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 233	What if a simple "warning" page isn't adequate. Then what? What if they draw it up where you have to use a credit card to see any porn. The US webmasters will be fucked. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2006-01-20, 12:14 PM	#8
kenny No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 233	Besides for the most part they way online adult is set up now.. It wouldn't work for just the US webmasters to use warning pages. Warning pages aren't going to stop access to all those TGP galleries or pages within the warning page. especially if they are using search engines to find it. What are we suppose to do? Use .htaccess to redirect all incoming hits to a warning page and then use robots.txt to tell search engines not to index any page except the first one. Oh.. and you can forget ever making a TGP gallery That would only work if every porn site in the world had to do that. US webmasters would be crushed by foreign competition. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2006-01-20, 09:42 AM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Sleeper, actually, I think they are trying to prove that minors COULD access free porn and pictures. Take the top searches in a week, assume that even 1% of the are made by minors, look at the sites that were visited... did they have adult warnings before showing hardcore porn? TGPs and MGPs are in a pretty tough place because most of them have midcore to hardcore images or ads right on page 1 without a single hint of a warning or other... no landing pages. Those sites are the ones in my mind that would be used to show "how easy it is to get hardcore porn online". Can you see where this is headed? COPA3? Adult meta tags on every pages and all browsers ordered to support it? Hmm. Alex