Do you think our adult sites have any political infulance - Page 3

RawAlex · 2006-01-21, 03:53 PM

guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions.

I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever.

It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit.

"Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

"Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?"

Think about it.

Alex

guestcam · 2006-01-21, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions.

I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever.

It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit.

"Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

"Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?"

Think about it.

Alex

you're preaching to the choir Alex

I dont disagree with you at all. My last post was answering what IMHO were talking points on this fight.

Dont get me started on the dumbasses who try to equate an adult website as the same as molesting a child! Its religious zelots who want to put people in jail for violating god's law. That this is illegal in the US isnt enough to save our asses; we need to remind ALOT of judicial personnel about that consituitional fact too.

MadMax · 2006-01-21, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by guestcam

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

H
aka click

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

guestcam · 2006-01-21, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

I dont think I get what you mean there.

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

MadMax · 2006-01-21, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by guestcam

you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly?

Nope

I mean that if we're going to draft some sort of statement it needs to be approached as something positive (like a press release, even though it isn't), and that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

Nope

............that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be

well for the record, I am not thinking about sending a message to the surfers about how we arent monsters. I assume my surfers know that already.

The message I want to send to my surfers is STOP BEING FUCKING SILENT CUZ AFTER THEY JAIL ALL THE WEBMASTERS THE SURFERS ARE NEXT. They being <insert bad name here> shits that want to JAIL ME BECAUSE I OFFEND THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Here again, read the main problem, the problem that might put you in jail - THEY WANT TO PUT YOU IN JAIL YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENSIVE TO GOD AND ALL GOOD PEOPLE.

Dont be nice to the people who beleive that. Your neighbors cousin's kid step on a mine last week to stop people like that half a world away. Dont be nice to people like that in our own backyard.

Call them what they are: fucking monsters. They want to PUT YOU IN JAIL for political gain.

I'm sorry but thats a fucking monster. Maybe we dont use the actual words 'fucking monster' while were writing up the wording for the manifesto, but if you dont get it in your head that IS HOW YOU NEED TO TREAT THEM and see them, we will, next year or next decade, find our asses in jail.

PUT YOU IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU OFFEND GOD. PRISON. Jail. Rape Camp. Get it?

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us

by the way, to your original point in post #53 of this thread. You quote me and then say "Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling ".

Looking at what I wrote in my listing of talking points - please point out to me which of those is
1. name calling
2. negative

because I see niether (in that post).

tickler · 2006-01-22, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

....maybe everyone might wanna just link to a copy of the page on their own server

Muliple sites with the same page
vs.
Multiple sites pointing to the same page

Perhaps Bill could SEO it, and perhaps set some doorway pages with different keywords, etc.

Seems like the religious fundalmentalists in Washington might be getting upset that the new government in Iraq might be run by religious fundalmentalists.

Simon · 2006-01-22, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him.

Yes, I'd be willing to link to an accurate, well-written, positive statement hosted somewhere. And yes, I can tel you that Max definitely has the necessary skills and knowledge to pull off writing the kind of thing we'd need here.

Simon

Daily Wit: "Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?"

Linkster · 2006-01-22, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim

This is the exact same law that was shot down by the Supreme Court years ago. It was an actual law for a month where everyone involved with a child accessing an adult site was fined $50k. From the site owner, to the host, to the isp and finally to the library or school or where ever the kid got access.

It was the Democrats that came up with the original law and Reno went against the ACLU at the Supreme Court. The Court shot it down but it was very scary for a while. Now with the new Chief Justice and with Alito about to be confirmed, things could easily swing the other way. It's too bad there is no Double Jeopardy with the Supreme Court. Or even dismissed with prejudice.
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Jim - thats the thing thats being missed by a lot of people here - we did do something on our websites back then and it seemed to actually garner some support in the media/public back then (remember the ribbons and black page websites?)

And you are totally correct - all of the recent "fervor" over these issues is all (according to the filing papers the DOJ just filed in court) linked back to this original law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. When they overturned it the case was NOT closed - the court gave DOJ recommendations on how to make their case more solid - and that is why the recent request was put out to the search engines for data - so that DOJ could win this time.

cosmiccat · 2006-01-22, 06:57 AM

Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

Ann Omness · 2006-01-22, 10:03 AM

My two cents: While educating the public on freedom of speech issues and civil liberty is a laudable sentiment, it has little impact on the government. This is not a democracy. 98% of the election races have their results predetermined by gerrymandering by the party in power. Very few seats are genuinely up for grabs. The politicians are the ones who need to be educated, and they only listen when they're being paid to listen, or when you can demonstrate that you have a large, cohesive bloc of voters under your thumb. They vote for the hand that feeds them. Unless the adult industry comes up with a way to buy politicians just like the other special interest groups do, this industry will never have any respresentation in government.

walrus · 2006-01-22, 02:11 PM

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Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

Nope, I have absolutely no doubt they do.

Ann, I agree with you to a point, I still, perhaps naively, believe that the people still hold the trump card. Motivating them enough to actually use it is a different story. A positive on target message can do that if properly done which means it has to remain an on-going effort. To do something today, without maintaining an on-going presence will only delay things while the opposition works to strengthen their own message and develop a means to disprove ours.

For them its a war, where I'm afraid we are just preparing for a battle.

KG Gary · 2006-01-22, 03:57 PM

Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion....

Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry?
Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage?
Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out?
Or all of the above?
Or none of the above?

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmiccat

Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?

good. Maybe they will rethink thier attacking us then.

If We get OUR message out into the main stream media then that gop goldmine of religious right votes aint gonna be worth shit.

One religious zelot with a long beard in a long robe standing atop of rooftop to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives.

Another religious zelot, hair neatly trimmed, in a brooks brothers suit standing at the podium to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives.

Do good people tolerate either?

If the GOP is reading this: READ AND LEARN - Actual facts and real truth is on OUR side, not yours.

Exposing The real truth on why I do what I do and why YOU DO what you do, will keep me free and you indicted!

C

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KG Gary

Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion....

Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry?
Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage?
Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out?
Or all of the above?
Or none of the above?

well the 'bush-lead' (there's two words that dont belong together) threat is the immediate thread. Which would be more accurately labeled the right wing religious GOP threat.

Bush isnt the threat. his masters behind the curtain are.

IMHO the message, the BRANDING if you will, we need to work on every fucking day, is "Its not a war on porn, its a war on freespeech. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN."

No One in Amerrica should be imprissioned for offending someone else. EVER. That should NEVER happen no matter the topic of what is causing the offense.

Allfetish · 2006-01-22, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

I was thinking about this COPA thing
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28112

how many of you would run a 4 or 5 lines of text on your bigger sites and hubs

that might be linked to a artice with some facts on some page

I would be happy to do what I can as well. I would prefer that it focuses only on the porn issue itself and avoids attacking any one politician or party however. I'm not a Bush fan myself, but I sense that there will be more support if it sticks to the issues themselves. I also sense that many of our customers are republicans, believe it or not!! :lol:

Mattinblack · 2006-01-22, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I think I still have bushporn.com

Alex

Maybe you should devote that site to faked pictures of george W in various pornographic poses. Or maybe all politicians? Heres a softcore one of tony blair to start with... lol

Mattinblack · 2006-01-22, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by guestcam

The message I want to send to my surfers is STOP BEING FUCKING SILENT CUZ AFTER THEY JAIL ALL THE WEBMASTERS THE SURFERS ARE NEXT.

Right on. Here in the UK though they are doing it ass about face (as usual) and jailing the surfers first. A number of people who have been on certain 'Russian Teens' sites after clicking on blind links have been found with CP images in their browser cache and prosecuted, even after pointing out to the court that there was no way of knowing that the link in question would take them to such images (in one case a page of five hundred 100 pixel square thumbnails.. shock headlines '500 CP images found on ....'). Thats one case I believe where the relevant webmasters should have been jailed but its easier for the UK authorities to 'send the right message' by jailing the surfers who they already have than some dodgy ped0 Mafiosi Boss in the Ukraine. This affects all of us because suddenly people wont click on any links to teen sites just in case ... no wonder mature content is so popular now!

Over here we dont have Bush but we have CAP (Christians against Porn), these are the bunch that go round reporting escort homepages with nudity that are found on non-adult servers (such as the free space on the Girls ISP site) and trying to get sex shops closed.

guestcam · 2006-01-22, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattinblack

Over here we dont have Bush but we have CAP (Christians against Porn), these are the bunch that go round reporting escort homepages with nudity that are found on non-adult servers (such as the free space on the Girls ISP site) and trying to get sex shops closed.

I think the old romans had it right - persecute the christians. Holy fuck batman! You'd need Austrialia to hold all the people in the history of ONLY the last century of those who killed in the name of Christ.

You can use a Starbucks coffee shop to hold those who killed in the name of Satan.

There outta be a law - No Christian may say, look at, or show interest in ANYTHING PORN related until two years of working with the homeless has occurred. And in that time period they may not speak of the topic of porn or obscenity ever.

I say NOT ONE so called christian (and I am born, baptised and raised Roman Catholic) who current works to 'stop porn' could pass that test.

Image a period of two years where the christian HAD to do nothing BUT HELP. No comdemnation allowed at all during that period of time. The graduation rate for that rule would be 1 or 2 percent.

fucking christians.........what a bunch of sleazy scum bags.....if there really WAS A GOD.........dont you think the christians and the islamics would be the first to burst into flames?

ok, back to my italian sub and football........

Halfdeck · 2006-01-22, 11:09 PM

Hey hey, stay on topic...

Our goal isn't to whine about Christians and the government. If all you want to do is build a blog to whine to surfers about how much Christians and Republicans suck, count me out.

You don't win a boxing match by whining about how hard the other guy is pounding you in the face. You win by pounding the other guy to the ground.

MeatPounder · 2006-01-22, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

You don't win a boxing match by whining about how hard the other guy is pounding you in the face. You win by pounding the other guy to the ground.

It's a tough fight but we will win in the end!

And Here is the Proof!

.

MadMax · 2006-01-23, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MeatPounder

It's a tough fight but we will win in the end!

And Here is the Proof!
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try this one

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...x&word2=christ

Halfdeck · 2006-01-23, 12:33 AM

How about this?

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...dren+from+porn

Mr. Blue · 2006-01-23, 12:37 AM

This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step?

2006-01-22, 06:57 AM	#61
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2006-01-22, 10:03 AM	#62
Ann Omness If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 308	My two cents: While educating the public on freedom of speech issues and civil liberty is a laudable sentiment, it has little impact on the government. This is not a democracy. 98% of the election races have their results predetermined by gerrymandering by the party in power. Very few seats are genuinely up for grabs. The politicians are the ones who need to be educated, and they only listen when they're being paid to listen, or when you can demonstrate that you have a large, cohesive bloc of voters under your thumb. They vote for the hand that feeds them. Unless the adult industry comes up with a way to buy politicians just like the other special interest groups do, this industry will never have any respresentation in government. __________________ Blue Wave Adult Links www.bluewavelinks.com/

2006-01-22, 11:09 PM	#71
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Hey hey, stay on topic... Our goal isn't to whine about Christians and the government. If all you want to do is build a blog to whine to surfers about how much Christians and Republicans suck, count me out. You don't win a boxing match by whining about how hard the other guy is pounding you in the face. You win by pounding the other guy to the ground. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-01-23, 12:33 AM	#74
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	How about this? http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...dren+from+porn __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-01-23, 12:37 AM	#75
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step? __________________ 69Blue.com ICQ #223487665

2006-01-21, 03:53 PM	#51
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions. I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever. It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit. "Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" "Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?" Think about it. Alex

2006-01-22, 03:57 PM	#64
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion.... Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry? Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage? Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out? Or all of the above? Or none of the above?