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Old 2006-01-25, 09:32 AM   #1
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If you don't know how to code pages (by hand or in an editor) then you really need to learn that 1st before you do anything else.
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Old 2006-01-25, 12:03 PM   #2
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If you don't know how to code pages (by hand or in an editor) then you really need to learn that 1st before you do anything else.
Let me get on my high horse for a moment...

IMO, you should know how to code by hand, even if it's just to fix issues made by code built by an editor before you are even making freesites or galleries.
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Old 2006-01-25, 01:52 PM   #3
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Let me get on my high horse for a moment...

IMO, you should know how to code by hand, even if it's just to fix issues made by code built by an editor before you are even making freesites or galleries.
Absolutely true!

I recently hired an outsourcing company to do some very basic grunt work for me...easy cut n paste kinda stuff. What I didn't know was he was using DW. Long story short...I sent him clean coded pages that validate to start from...what I got back had everything from tons of white space in the code...to blown tags...to duplicated tags...to inserted height tags where he was draggin and droppin...to just outright garbage code.

Personally, I won't touch an editor...all hand coding for me. But, if you're going to use an editor...use it for convenience only and make damn sure you know what the code should look like before trusting an editor to do it for you.
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Old 2006-01-25, 05:20 PM   #4
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Personally, I won't touch an editor...all hand coding for me. But, if you're going to use an editor...use it for convenience only and make damn sure you know what the code should look like before trusting an editor to do it for you.
I'm of the exact same school as MrYum here. That said, the newest version of Dreamweaver has on hell of a good code view to work in. I never used it's design view, but the code view is my wet dream. But this is from someone who coded in notepad for a long time before even knowing that there were programs made for web design, and learned HTML on WebTV, so I'm stuck that way regardless.
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Old 2006-01-25, 05:45 PM   #5
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Baby steps. Coding everything by hand is a huge time sink, but it's how you should start if you don't know HTML. Once you learn to hand code a few free sites, get Dreamweaver or Homesite to speed up your work. Even if you stay in code view, it's a much faster alternative to notepad or TextPad.
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Old 2006-01-25, 08:11 PM   #6
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...Coding everything by hand is a huge time sink...
Exactly. I'm about as "old school" as it gets when it comes to coding. My Comp Sci degree is dated 1983. My senior sequence was in Assemblers and Compilers, so we're talkin' machine code.

Coding web pages by hand, particularly if you're using CSS elements, is just too time consuming. I build the basic structure in design view, then fine tune and add any scripting (ASP, PHP, javascript, etc) in code view.

Dreamweaver is a powerful tool that can create very clean code if used properly. But it call also create an absolute mess. My best advice is to never highlight in design view to select an object, click within the desired area then click the appropriate tag in the status bar.

This has gotten a little further off topic than intended, but my point is this: It's not the tool that's bad, but the improper use of the tool.
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