"Political Influence of Adult Sites" and "Free Speech Coalition" pressure.

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Please, this can still be a good thread. There is no reason to be discussing feminists here unless the goal is to kill another productive thread.

If you guys are going to grudgingly accept and/or welcome the idea of women working on an "in defense of porn" project, you better get used to hearing our opinions on why we defend porn, otherwise this thread might as well be re-titled "Speaking out on behalf of the entire adult industry- for male webmasters only!" Males and webmasters are just one part of the industry, but I realize that any board/group would be eager to select leaders from its own pool. (Maybe if you asked 100 people who do camerawork and lighting on sets, they'd agree that a handful of them were the best ones to represent the entire industry, too.)

This is the third time I've said this: ONE OF THE MAIN ARGUMENTS AGAINST PORN IS THAT IT HURTS WOMEN. Frankly, you're not going to be able to counter that as a group of male TGP webmasters who have no experience in front of the camera saying, "Uh, no it doesn't. We don't think so. Uh, it's their choice."

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

...Frankly, you're not going to be able to counter that as a group of male TGP webmasters who have no experience in front of the camera saying, "Uh, no it doesn't. We don't think so. Uh, it's their choice."

If that's what you truly think you have a lot to learn.

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Surfn

If that's what you truly think you have a lot to learn.

So... you think that a gallery submitter is the most qualified person to speak to the world about what it's like to be an adult performer? Excuse me, but that makes as much sense as having an anti-porn crusader say that they're speaking on behalf of *me* and my human rights.

I realize that this is a free site/TGP board, but people here tend to forget that they are not the only people in the adult industry. "Adult" consists of all sorts of people working on all levels, and for any micro-group of the industry to say that they're the best ones to speak for everyone, they're just making themselves look silly and inexperienced.

I've read more anti-porn writings than any 100 people here, and I guarantee that a statement by a bunch of webmaster dudes about how women and performers probably feel about their work would be dismissed by every single anti-porner out there, and would do further damage by showing that even "adult industry" can't be bothered to get input from their "content".

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

So... you think that a gallery submitter is the most qualified person to speak to the world about what it's like to be an adult performer? Excuse me, but that makes as much sense as having an anti-porn crusader say that they're speaking on behalf of *me* and my human rights.

I realize that this is a free site/TGP board, but people here tend to forget that they are not the only people in the adult industry. "Adult" consists of all sorts of people working on all levels, and for any micro-group of the industry to say that they're the best ones to speak for everyone, they're just making themselves look silly and inexperienced.

I've read more anti-porn writings than any 100 people here, and I guarantee that a statement by a bunch of webmaster dudes about how women and performers probably feel about their work would be dismissed by every single anti-porner out there, and would do further damage by showing that even "adult industry" can't be bothered to get input from their "content".

Your youth and inexperience are shining through. Some of us do a hell of lot more than just TGP's. If you actually took the time to do some research you could have found articles of mine dating from the present back to the middle 90's on various aspects of this industry from my first hand experiences.

I understand your position and respect it. You obviously have no respect for those who blazed the trail for you to do what you do. If you did you would more likely than not have a different perspective. You are born of a generation that wants everything now. Some of us understand the concept of changing from within and building a solid foundation for our actions.

If you really want to make a difference then do it. Rhetoric is not going to get the job done.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

If you guys are going to grudgingly accept and/or welcome the idea of women working on an "in defense of porn" project, you better get used to hearing our opinions on why we defend porn, otherwise this thread might as well be re-titled "Speaking out on behalf of the entire adult industry- for male webmasters only!" Males and webmasters are just one part of the industry, but I realize that any board/group would be eager to select leaders from its own pool. (Maybe if you asked 100 people who do camerawork and lighting on sets, they'd agree that a handful of them were the best ones to represent the entire industry, too.)

This is the third time I've said this: ONE OF THE MAIN ARGUMENTS AGAINST PORN IS THAT IT HURTS WOMEN. Frankly, you're not going to be able to counter that as a group of male TGP webmasters who have no experience in front of the camera saying, "Uh, no it doesn't. We don't think so. Uh, it's their choice."

Has anyone disagreed with you other then Surfin? Did anyone dismiss the idea of having a female spokes person? I posted that it was worthless to discuss "feminists" in this thread and I still don't see why it's fruitful.

This thread should be a list of constructive bullet points instead it's just another bash the FSC and argue about side issues while bypassing the actual issue at hand. The board has been chosen and Conner Young appears to be the only one with any on-line experience.

If we can't post consice recommendations without getting caught up in pissing matches then we're not going to be successful in working together. I think somewhere in your pages of posts filled with passion and angst that you might have a few good bullet points.

Care to post some bullet points so that we can clearly see your ideas? Is there really any need to get into more pissing matches?