Speaking of ethics...

[ecchi]

Can anyone here name one porn star besides John Holmes who in the last 25 years died of AIDS? (and who also wasn't an iv drug user like Holmes)

Where you been? You missed an almost total close down of the porn industry recently because of performers with aids. However usually people don't admit to it. For example one of England's biggest porn stars retired from the business a while back. I was speaking to someone who knew him, and apparently his "retirement" was simply to avoid admitting he was HIV+.

It's a question of whether or not external pressures become a reason to compromise on one's own personal values and beliefs.

I doubt if Chi Chi La Rue is doing this because of her own "own personal values and beliefs" I think she did it to save her life !

Ethics and Integrity have never been about specific, individual actions. These things are all relative, depending on the circumstance, and the individual. Rather, it's about how well someone adheres to their own personal sense of "right and wrong."

But to have a "personal sense of right and wrong" means you believe a thing is either right or wrong. And even if you are careful never to tell people they are "wrong", it is still in your mind that people who do otherwise are "wrong". So you are judging people, thus imposing your sense of right and wrong on them.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Where you been? You missed an almost total close down of the porn industry recently because of performers with aids. However usually people don't admit to it. For example one of England's biggest porn stars retired from the business a while back. I was speaking to someone who knew him, and apparently his "retirement" was simply to avoid admitting he was HIV+.

I doubt if Chi Chi La Rue is doing this because of her own "own personal values and beliefs" I think she did it to save her life !

But to have a "personal sense of right and wrong" means you believe a thing is either right or wrong. And even if you are careful never to tell people they are "wrong", it is still in your mind that people who do otherwise are "wrong". So you are judging people, thus imposing your sense of right and wrong on them.

I have been in the industry quite a while. Name them.

A positive HIV test is not the same thing as AIDS - in fact - there are tons of factors for FALSE POSITIVES. Many of the so called scares also turned out to be based on false positives, like Barbara Doll for example who was one of the first "performers with AIDS" that turned out to be just fine.

I am not going to wait - the question was rhetorical. I already know good and well how short the list is. And Sharon Mitchell would tell you the same - the bigger concerns are the other stds that rage around the porn valley sets.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by ecchi

I doubt if Chi Chi La Rue is doing this because of her own "own personal values and beliefs" I think she did it to save her life !

Save her life? I believe she's only a director, not a performer, but I could be wrong.

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=13242

“I am a huge condom advocate,” LaRue told XBiz. “I’m such a vocal person about my feelings about condom usage. That’s one of the reasons I went to Vivid in first place; because they required condoms for their performers.”

Reading this article, I would have to agree that this was about her own personal ethics and integrity.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Trev

Save her life? I believe she's only a director, not a performer, but I could be wrong.

I do remember seeing him in a movie, out of drag, covered in food having sex, if you could call it that, with a big fat woman, oops I mean a BBW, who was also covered in food.

The movie really got me hot.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Trev

Save her life? I believe she's only a director, not a performer, but I could be wrong.

Sorry, I was confusing Chi Chi La Rue with someone else. I don't watch a lot of porn movies.

Originally Posted by Trev

I find a difference between having a personal sense of morality, and imposing that morality on others.

I was not talking about "imposing" it, I was talking about the way it makes you think of other people. For example, I don't smoke, but I have no problem with people who do. In fact a bit over ten years ago I was studying in a place where smoking was banned, and there was a lobby to get a "smoking room" in the building (this was adult education, most people on the course were 30-60, no kids or teens). I was one of the main movers in this lobby, and on several occasions took the matter up with the course organisers. However my personal "ethic" is I don't smoke, and although I never say so, I think people who do are fools.

Also on "imposing that morality on others", look at the point I was answering above. As Chi Chi La Rue is more of a director than an actor, then they are not just showing "personal ethics". As a director Chi Chi La Rue is attempting to force others to wear condoms (the performers). This is most defiantly not "allowing other rational, thinking adults to make their own judgements", it is saying "this is how I feel, and you MUST do the same". In other words, the quote you make from Far-L's post applies to Chi Chi La Rue ("I think there is a more interesting philosophical point to be made about the ethics of someone that would not allow other adults to make a choice for themselves...").

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Also on "imposing that morality on others", look at the point I was answering above. As Chi Chi La Rue is more of a director than an actor, then they are not just showing "personal ethics". As a director Chi Chi La Rue is attempting to force others to wear condoms (the performers). This is most defiantly not "allowing other rational, thinking adults to make their own judgements", it is saying "this is how I feel, and you MUST do the same". In other words, the quote you make from Far-L's post applies to Chi Chi La Rue ("I think there is a more interesting philosophical point to be made about the ethics of someone that would not allow other adults to make a choice for themselves...").

Er... I do not see the situation as 'forcing' people to bend to her will. She chose to walk away from a situation where Vivid would 'force' her to compromise her own code of ethics and personal integrity.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by ecchi

But to have a "personal sense of right and wrong" means you believe a thing is either right or wrong. And even if you are careful never to tell people they are "wrong", it is still in your mind that people who do otherwise are "wrong". So you are judging people, thus imposing your sense of right and wrong on them.

I disagree. I find a difference between having a personal sense of morality, and imposing that morality on others. Yes, as a rational thinking adult with clearly defined moral values I make judgements. I decide with whom I associate and do business - I also choose the specific means in which I do these things. BUT, just because I have my own sense of values doesn't mean I won't allow other rational, thinking adults to make their own judgements.

I think Far-L was touching on this earlier:

Originally Posted by Far-L

I think there is a more interesting philosophical point to be made about the ethics of someone that would not allow other adults to make a choice for themselves...