"Political Influence of Adult Sites" and "Free Speech Coalition" pressure.

[RawAlex]

Mr Blue, I think we need to consider this: Do feminist whores need their own organization because, by Trixies own admission, their business model is so different from ours? Do they only suck up to the mainstream industry when it works for them, immediately shunning it when it becomes too restrictive or too whitebread for them?

Think about this, taken right off of Trixie's own site:

On behalf of myself and WebWhores everywhere, I, TastyTrixie, hereby issue the following original draft 10-point WebWhore Manifesto:

WebWhore Pride Points:

1. WebWhores defy stereotypes.
We are not just a bunch of dumb slutty moneygrubbing bitches. Most of us are not whoring ourselves out of desperation. We come in all different shapes and sizes and from different backgrounds. There is nothing you can assume about a WebWhore except that she has balls (figuratively speaking).

2. WebWhoring empowers women.
We can set our own hours, our own prices, and our own limits. We have the potential to make more money while we have more fun than we could in a "respectable" career field. We can turn off the computer if we feel violated or degraded or put-out by someone (which actually happens far less than in "respectable" career fields).
Those of us with families can take care of them without it interfering with our jobs. We can safely have fun playing dress up, good girl, bad girl, etc. and exploring who we are and what we like. We can have creative/financial/organization control over our own businesses.

3. Good WebWhoring requires skill.
Being a good WebWhore demands more than mere sexual savvy and physical "beauty". Good WebWhores usually have a mix of some of the following characteristics: personality, technical knowledge, creativity, confidence, bravery, style, intuition, customer service skills, empathy, imagination, originality, marketing knowledge, networking know-how, open-mindedness, experience, compassion, curiosity, daring, perseverance, and a genuine love of people and sexuality.

4. WebWhore clients defy stereotypes.
Just as WebWhores are often your typical "girl-next-door" types, their clients are also your typical guys-next-door. People who enjoy internet porn come from all walks of life and are looking for all kinds of different WebWhores. Our customers look and act just like everybody else. Coming across the stereotypical porn consumer (whoever he is) is actually pretty rare. As WebWhores we enjoy special opportunities to get to know all kinds of different people on all sorts of different levels. We have fun with each other, get off with each other and often come to care about each other.

WebWhore Purpose Points:

5. Sex Workers' economic and social contributions to society deserve commendation, not criminalization.
It's about time we stopped marginalizing, stigmatizing, ignoring, and punishing sex workers. We've been around forever, we've made marks on history, we've provided services in response to an unending demand. Quit the resentful narrow-minded bullshit and give us some fucking credit!!!!!

6. Women should NOT be villified and disrespected for capitalizing on human sexuality.
People should pay women for sex work with the same respect and appreciation one would expect to pay ministers, teachers, lawyers, doctors, therapists, etc. Furthermore, one cannot assume a whore's primary motivation for doing her "job" is monetary any more than one could assume a doctor's primary motivation for healing patients is solely for money. Just as there are good doctors and bad doctors, there are good whores and bad whores. . . anybody who does their job just for the paycheck without any joy or emotion is doing a poor job. Having said that, anybody who thinks someone should do a job for him pro bono just because the service-provider LIKES her/his job is an asshole. Would you walk into a psychiatrist's office and say "hey! You like helping people don't you?? I can't pay you but how about if I plop down on your couch and talk your ear off for an hour?"

7. WebWhores should commit to a professional code of ethics.
At the very least we should treat our customers and each other with respect. Unfortunately some WebWhores are catty, judgemental, two-faced, bitchy, biggoted, narrow-minded, petty hypocrites (the same people you have to work with in ANY field). Fortunately in cyberspace it's easier to ignore such nasty bitches than it would be in a regular office. Still, it would be nice if WebWhores would commit to shunning and ostracizing any foul cunt who made a point of disrupting another WebWhore's business or hurting her feelings. We should also disassociate ourselves from any bitch who purposefully misleads or mistreats our customers.

8. WebWhores should join hands with other adult entertainment/sex workers to promote pride in our trade.
Although there are obviously huge differences between dancing, webwhoring, escorting, streetwalking, video porning, etc. we all still have to deal with the same stigmas and bullshit in our respective professions.

9. People need to stop blaming porn for our social ills and start looking at the REAL indecencies in our society.
We tolerate and turn a blind eye to thousands of phenomenons that are more evil, sick and disturbing than pornography. The real obscenity in our culture is our frightening disregard for the golden rule ("love your neighbor as yourself"). WebWhores are NOT the enemy. Porn is NOT the enemy. If we want to "clean up" society we should start by focusing on instilling & practicing basic values like the golden rule. As long as people are inconsiderate and mean to each other we have bigger fish to fry than judging consenting adults for porn creation and consumption. People should get their priorities straight when they talk about "values". We need to treat each other with human kindness and consideration . . . all the other rules we make to govern our behavior are sheer trivia.

10. Compromising our freedom of speech is NOT the way to protect children or further the objectives of feminism.
Does this point need any elaboration? I don't think so.

I am sorry, but I don't think that this manifesto speaks for very many people in the porn industry.

Alex

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

...their business model is so different from ours...

My business model is quite different than most that post on this board. I guess that means I should go find some other organization too.

I have a better idea, lets get back to forming a basic online industry postion statement aimed at addressing the current legal attacks on our industry.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Toby

I have a better idea, lets get back to forming a basic online industry postion statement aimed at addressing the current legal attacks on our industry.

I think this thread is gone with the wind...time to start a new one and try to keep the Attention deficit disorder to a minimum on it.

[Bill]

Have a bit of patience - these side issues will reach a homeostasis. The central purpose of the thread will continue forward. If need be new threads for this purpose will be started.

These are just minor bumps on the path. Lets give the process some hours more.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Bill

Have a bit of patience - these side issues will reach a homeostasis. The central purpose of the thread will continue forward. If need be new threads for this purpose will be started.

These are just minor bumps on the path. Lets give the process some hours more.

okay Bill, when you first posted this thread I thought it was a great idea, good way to get the industry focused, and I would like to see it continue and at least get us to the next stage.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

My business model is quite different than most that post on this board. I guess that means I should go find some other organization too.

I have a better idea, lets get back to forming a basic online industry postion statement aimed at addressing the current legal attacks on our industry.

No, however, if your business model is significantly different from most of the porn industry, you don't attempt to change the porn industry to match your standards and your practices because you feel somehow superior to the walmarts of porn.

The tail cannot wag the dog.

You didn't come to the table with a manifesto a chip on your shoulder. That means that you are likely able to understand and accept that not everyone wants to do things you way. That is something that is clearly needed to make this work out.

A manifesto that basically says "the porn industry is stupid" isn't going to help us out one iota.

Alex

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

No, however, if your business model is significantly different from most of the porn industry, you don't attempt to change the porn industry to match your standards and your practices because you feel somehow superior to the walmarts of porn.

The tail cannot wag the dog.

You didn't come to the table with a manifesto a chip on your shoulder. That means that you are likely able to understand and accept that not everyone wants to do things you way. That is something that is clearly needed to make this work out.

A manifesto that basically says "the porn industry is stupid" isn't going to help us out one iota.

Alex

That manifesto doesn't say "the porn industry is stupid". Where do you GET that? And fyi: I didn't submit it here as something that would help out --- YOU snagged it off my site and brought it into the discussion, NOT me.

How can you quote my manifesto (which is totally off-topic, by the way -- I do not see the relevence) but not understand it AT ALL? Where do I say anything about changing the entire industry to meet my standards? Where does it say that "the porn industry is stupid"? Where does it say that I'm superior to anyone? When did I say everyone should do everything my way? I didn't say any of those things, and nothing in it has anything to do with you.

If you read that and interpret it as a condemnation of the industry or that it proves I think I could do without the rest of the industry, you. are. the one. with. a chip. on. his shoulder. I am proud to be a pornographer and to be part of this industry. And YOU are the one bringing things into the discussion that are completely off topic.

If you want to continue to obsess on what you IMAGINE I am saying, why don't you call my phone sex line or join my site instead of wasting everyone's time trying to convince them that I said things I didn't and that I think things I don't? What other purpose do your posts have besides to try to engage me and to make it appear I am saying things I am not?

If you keep it up, I'm taking Jim's advice and just going to report your shit-stirring off-topic designed-to-put-people-on-the-defensive posts. Or maybe you should start your own thread called, "Twixie hurt my wittle feelings!"

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Mr Blue, I think we need to consider this: Do feminist whores need their own organization because, by Trixies own admission, their business model is so different from ours? Do they only suck up to the mainstream industry when it works for them, immediately shunning it when it becomes too restrictive or too whitebread for them?

*sticking fingers in ears and makes the LALALALALALA sound* I can't hear you talking about feminism.

I am a bit curious how their business model is so different than the average webmaster. Granted, I'm just in it for the money and a nice beach house when I retire, maybe that's the difference.