Anyone here feel best qualified to be point man with the FSC?

SirMoby · 2006-02-12, 11:50 AM

First let's define the role of the "Official Liaison To The FSC". If we can agree on that then we can focus the qualifications and start to nail down the right person.

Bill, what exactly do you think this person should do?

My vision is that this person would have 3 major responsibilities.

1. Understand the current technology issues with labeling, AVS, etc .... that are in use and can actually be used to help keep minors out without infringing on Free Speech and keeping an eye on International issues.

2. Listen well enough to understand all or at least most webmaster's concerns and know the difference between their own beliefs and the majorities beliefs.

3. Educate and communicate the above information to the FSC to ensure that they have the knowledge to stay on track, speak accurately on issues and move in the right direction.

Bill · 2006-02-12, 03:50 PM

The "issues" points you're emphasizing in your list, SirMoby, are a part of the task that a FSC pointman would face, but I'm thinking those requirements are the easy part.

The FSC is an older style organization. They do most of their business in face to face meetings and phone calls.

So, the ideal point man would be able to attend meetings. I guess that means they should live in california. Or at least be able to go to some of the conventions and meet with the FSC folks there, because I gather that the FSC hopes to have a presence at the conventions.

(I think maybe we should start calling this job the "FSC Contact" - point man is a military term - all politics is 'slow war' but we should soften it a bit...)

The ideal FSC Contact would be good on the phone and in email. The job would involve stuff like talking to sponsors, content producers, other board owners, other organizations, and by talking I mean mostly listening and occasionally making suggestions and asking leading questions.

Talking to sponsors would be a critical part of the role.

The ideal FSC contact would be able to run boardtracker campaigns to keep an eye on the topic of the FSC and other political issues.

The ideal FSC contact would be willing to post on other boards, become a bit of a personality on other boards, because we would need the co-operation of the other communities to get anything real happening, and to do any serious fund raising.

The FSC contact doesn't have to do all these things, actually. Really, their most important job would be to attend some meetings and do phone work with the existing FSC organization. Their second most important job would be working the other boards.

I could do some - a lot, I suppose - of the 'secretarial' type stuff, and I'm willing to do that, or at least try to do it. Or some of it.

Ultimately, the FSC Contact would have to be paid, something, somehow. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

So, to sum up:

1. The FSC Contact needs to be able to attend some meetings in California.

2. The FSC Contact needs to be able to become something of a board personality.

3. The FSC Contact needs to be able to do well on the phone.

MeatPounder · 2006-02-14, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill

The FSC is an older style organization. They do most of their business in face to face meetings and phone calls.

If so, then they are not the ones to represent webmasters. We need an organization that is in the 21st century.

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So, the ideal point man would be able to attend meetings. I guess that means they should live in California.

No, we should choose the best person to represent our concerns, not one that is most convenient for the FSC

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The FSC contact doesn't have to do all these things, actually. Really, their most important job would be to attend some meetings and do phone work with the existing FSC organization.

No, the most important job would be as a liason between webmasters and the FCS

Quote:

1. The FSC Contact needs to be able to attend some meetings in California.

Why?

2. The FSC Contact needs to be able to become something of a board personality.

3. The FSC Contact needs to be able to do well on the phone.[/quote]

Bill · 2006-02-14, 03:43 AM

I guess we had best start to examine the Adult Freedom Foundation:

Which at my first quick view seems to be mostly Paul Cambria himself.

http://www.adultfreedomfoundation.org/

Their statement has a bit of potential, despite being all caps.

---------------------------------------------
NEW GROUP FIGHTS FOR FREEDOMS

LOS ANGELES, CALIF. PROTECTING FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND COUNTERING ATTACKS ON THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS THE MISSION OF THE NEWLY CREATED “ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION.”

“ALL TOO OFTEN THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY HAS BEEN THE TARGET OF MISINFORMATION AND UNFOUNDED CRITICISM,” SAID ATTY. PAUL CAMBRIA, GENERAL COUNSEL.

“THE ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION WILL SPEAK WITH A NEW VOICE. WE PLAN TO SUPPLY ACCURATE AND POSITIVE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC FOR A CHANGE,” HE SAID.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE GROUP WANTS TO WORK WITH THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA IN GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT.

THE GROUP WILL PROVIDE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT ACCESS TO LEGAL, SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRY EXECUTIVES TO COUNTER BALANCE BOGUS CLAIMS BY AMBITIOUS POLITICANS, RIGHT WING GROUPS AND OTHERS.

THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY AND NOW IT’S TIME FOR OUR SIDE TO BE TOLD TOO.

AFF IS GOING TO BE A WATCH DOG ORGANIZATION FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

OUR STAFF WILL SOUND OFF LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN WE SPOT MISINFORMATION OR ATTACKS ON LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ACTIVITIES.

FREQUENTLY RIGHT WING GROUPS ATTEMPT TO CO MINGLE ILLEGAL CHILD PORNORGRAPHY WITH LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN AN ATTEMPT TO OUTLAW BOTH.

THE AFF FORMED BY SEVERAL MAJOR NATIONAL COMPANIES, INCLUDING THOSE FROM THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, IS DEDICATED TO FIGHTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

WHILE ADMANTLY AGAINST CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AFF BELIEVES ADULTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENJOY EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT.

AND, THAT THE AVERAGE ADULT ACCEPTS THAT RIGHT FOR OTHER ADULTS TO CHOOSE LAWFUL EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT.
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Bill · 2006-02-14, 03:53 AM

Meatpounder, we can't know yet if the FSC is the right organization to ally with, we're still in the stage of gathering information.

However, our choices of which organizations to ally with are not large. We've already made an impact on the FSC because of the rush of webmaster memberships related to 2257. Thats a kind of investment on our part. Before we throw away that investment I would say we should try to give the FSC some new tasks and see how well they can carry out our political wishes.

I'm open to suggestions as to other organizations that could be of use.

An older face&phone organization might be exactly what we need. Congress is all about connections, who you know, and Congress is an even older school face&phone system.

So having some old school face&phone types as 'hired guns' might be exactly what we need.

It's possible that everything we need could be done without going to meetings.

Bill · 2006-02-14, 03:00 PM

Far-L, when can Spike come here and talk to us a bit about this?

It would be good to have him start a thread about the FSC, so he can tell us what his impressions of the FSC are, and we can ask him questions.

Where does Spike usually hang out on the net, what board does he post at most?

2006-02-12, 11:50 AM	#1
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	First let's define the role of the "Official Liaison To The FSC". If we can agree on that then we can focus the qualifications and start to nail down the right person. Bill, what exactly do you think this person should do? My vision is that this person would have 3 major responsibilities. 1. Understand the current technology issues with labeling, AVS, etc .... that are in use and can actually be used to help keep minors out without infringing on Free Speech and keeping an eye on International issues. 2. Listen well enough to understand all or at least most webmaster's concerns and know the difference between their own beliefs and the majorities beliefs. 3. Educate and communicate the above information to the FSC to ensure that they have the knowledge to stay on track, speak accurately on issues and move in the right direction.

2006-02-12, 03:50 PM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	The "issues" points you're emphasizing in your list, SirMoby, are a part of the task that a FSC pointman would face, but I'm thinking those requirements are the easy part. The FSC is an older style organization. They do most of their business in face to face meetings and phone calls. So, the ideal point man would be able to attend meetings. I guess that means they should live in california. Or at least be able to go to some of the conventions and meet with the FSC folks there, because I gather that the FSC hopes to have a presence at the conventions. (I think maybe we should start calling this job the "FSC Contact" - point man is a military term - all politics is 'slow war' but we should soften it a bit...) The ideal FSC Contact would be good on the phone and in email. The job would involve stuff like talking to sponsors, content producers, other board owners, other organizations, and by talking I mean mostly listening and occasionally making suggestions and asking leading questions. Talking to sponsors would be a critical part of the role. The ideal FSC contact would be able to run boardtracker campaigns to keep an eye on the topic of the FSC and other political issues. The ideal FSC contact would be willing to post on other boards, become a bit of a personality on other boards, because we would need the co-operation of the other communities to get anything real happening, and to do any serious fund raising. The FSC contact doesn't have to do all these things, actually. Really, their most important job would be to attend some meetings and do phone work with the existing FSC organization. Their second most important job would be working the other boards. I could do some - a lot, I suppose - of the 'secretarial' type stuff, and I'm willing to do that, or at least try to do it. Or some of it. Ultimately, the FSC Contact would have to be paid, something, somehow. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it. So, to sum up: 1. The FSC Contact needs to be able to attend some meetings in California. 2. The FSC Contact needs to be able to become something of a board personality. 3. The FSC Contact needs to be able to do well on the phone.

2006-02-14, 03:43 AM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I guess we had best start to examine the Adult Freedom Foundation: Which at my first quick view seems to be mostly Paul Cambria himself. http://www.adultfreedomfoundation.org/ Their statement has a bit of potential, despite being all caps. --------------------------------------------- NEW GROUP FIGHTS FOR FREEDOMS LOS ANGELES, CALIF. PROTECTING FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND COUNTERING ATTACKS ON THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS THE MISSION OF THE NEWLY CREATED “ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION.” “ALL TOO OFTEN THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY HAS BEEN THE TARGET OF MISINFORMATION AND UNFOUNDED CRITICISM,” SAID ATTY. PAUL CAMBRIA, GENERAL COUNSEL. “THE ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION WILL SPEAK WITH A NEW VOICE. WE PLAN TO SUPPLY ACCURATE AND POSITIVE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC FOR A CHANGE,” HE SAID. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE GROUP WANTS TO WORK WITH THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA IN GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT. THE GROUP WILL PROVIDE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT ACCESS TO LEGAL, SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRY EXECUTIVES TO COUNTER BALANCE BOGUS CLAIMS BY AMBITIOUS POLITICANS, RIGHT WING GROUPS AND OTHERS. THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY AND NOW IT’S TIME FOR OUR SIDE TO BE TOLD TOO. AFF IS GOING TO BE A WATCH DOG ORGANIZATION FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. OUR STAFF WILL SOUND OFF LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN WE SPOT MISINFORMATION OR ATTACKS ON LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ACTIVITIES. FREQUENTLY RIGHT WING GROUPS ATTEMPT TO CO MINGLE ILLEGAL CHILD PORNORGRAPHY WITH LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN AN ATTEMPT TO OUTLAW BOTH. THE AFF FORMED BY SEVERAL MAJOR NATIONAL COMPANIES, INCLUDING THOSE FROM THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, IS DEDICATED TO FIGHTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. WHILE ADMANTLY AGAINST CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AFF BELIEVES ADULTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENJOY EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT. AND, THAT THE AVERAGE ADULT ACCEPTS THAT RIGHT FOR OTHER ADULTS TO CHOOSE LAWFUL EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT. ---------------------

2006-02-14, 03:53 AM	#5
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Meatpounder, we can't know yet if the FSC is the right organization to ally with, we're still in the stage of gathering information. However, our choices of which organizations to ally with are not large. We've already made an impact on the FSC because of the rush of webmaster memberships related to 2257. Thats a kind of investment on our part. Before we throw away that investment I would say we should try to give the FSC some new tasks and see how well they can carry out our political wishes. I'm open to suggestions as to other organizations that could be of use. An older face&phone organization might be exactly what we need. Congress is all about connections, who you know, and Congress is an even older school face&phone system. So having some old school face&phone types as 'hired guns' might be exactly what we need. It's possible that everything we need could be done without going to meetings.

2006-02-14, 03:00 PM	#6
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Far-L, when can Spike come here and talk to us a bit about this? It would be good to have him start a thread about the FSC, so he can tell us what his impressions of the FSC are, and we can ask him questions. Where does Spike usually hang out on the net, what board does he post at most?