Any ideas for a realistic alternative to the Free Speech Coalition?

Bill · 2006-03-18, 03:53 PM

Okay, so far, on the table we have two choices.

The FSC, and starting our own trade association.

(The trade association concept has several variations, but we will lump it together as one thing for now.)

Can anyone think of any other alternatives that should be considered?

How about the AFF and Paul Cambria?

How about a fan association like FOXE?

walrus · 2006-03-19, 05:21 PM

I can't and judging by the responses so far....

So what's next? Is it time to let this die and accept the status quo or is there enough momentum for some type of movement?

Bill · 2006-03-19, 05:33 PM

Well, I think it's a bit too early to stop the opinion gathering phase yet.

I also think people may be grossly underestimating the amount of work and trouble and expense involved in trying to start a webmaster association.

And, trying to start our own association makes the question of "who bells the cat" - that is, who is in charge of the association, and who does the grunt work of the asociation - all the more pressing. Staffing an association is likely to be very tricky.

walrus · 2006-03-19, 05:58 PM

I've been known to jump the gun, once or twice

and I definately appreciate all the work it would take to setup our own association and I believe that there is absolutely very few qualified cats to be belled and because most of them dont want the damn bell it is a pipe dream to think that it would happen anytime in the very near future (or my lifetime for that matter).

That having been said, I think Chop's earlier suggestion is a much better idea. Money does talk and if banded together we could use that to possibly affect change at the FSC. But again, who do you trust to collect the $$$ and then go to the FSC and negotiate the basic changes needed to be awarded the cash and who is going to play watchdog to ensure such changes are put in place and to regularly report on progress.

Simon · 2006-03-19, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by walrus

...who do you trust to collect the $$$ and then go to the FSC and negotiate the basic changes needed to be awarded the cash and who is going to play watchdog to ensure such changes are put in place and to regularly report on progress.

Just putting out the thought that those could be three or more people. We could trust someone we all know, and who definitely doesn't need the money. Probably a couple of candidates for that around here. Then the best negotiator, who's willing, could be the one who works out a deal with the FSC (or whoever). And then the watchdogging could be a team responsibility, not left to the negotiator or 'treasurer.'

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(note to self: 'watchdogging' sounds like a niche - combination of English dogging and voyeurism)

karomesis · 2006-03-19, 08:02 PM

If I may interject; the war being waged against pornography is being waged primarily on behalf of religious citizenry, if we pick our battles carefully and come to the battlefield beforehand refreshed, they will hasten to it and be exhausted -sun tzu the art of war.

The more mainstream businesses that see the viability of porn as a revenue generator, the more power adult webmasters will posess. When the tentacles of porn are as far reaching as other industries, there will be no recourse for those who wish our demise, they will have to negotiate or say goodbye to the dollars, and who wants to do that?

The question is not if, but when, the tables will be turned. The power gained by adult webmasters as a cohesive orginization will come not through the advocation of laws preventing the abandonement of free speech, but rather, through a carefully planned and methodical operation to financially penetrate as many businesses and industries as possible. There are plenty of industries rife with corruption; how do they get away with it? by generating enough revenue to force their adversaries to contemplate life without them if they are crossed.

That is what we should do.

Financial and business penetration as fast and as far reaching as possible. There are some people who believe that if the cannabis trade were eradicated from western canada that entire industries would shut down almost overnight, why? because many businesses operate primarily on revenue generated by the illegal trade in cannabis. That is an illegal substance, we have many more advantages than them, the basis of our existence depended in the past on 1 single human desire

sex. People have to have it. And that is where the adult webmaster holds the internet community in subservience. If we use it to our advantage we will come out victorious.

walrus · 2006-03-19, 08:29 PM

karomesis, I am impressed (that and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee at the Coffee Bean) as first you quoted Sun Tzu and second that is definately thinking out side the box for a solution. It definately has my simple mind thinking and hopefully will merit some discussion.

2006-03-19, 05:21 PM	#2
walrus Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,773	I can't and judging by the responses so far.... So what's next? Is it time to let this die and accept the status quo or is there enough momentum for some type of movement? __________________ Naked Girlfriend Porn TGP free partner account

2006-03-19, 05:58 PM	#4
walrus Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,773	I've been known to jump the gun, once or twice and I definately appreciate all the work it would take to setup our own association and I believe that there is absolutely very few qualified cats to be belled and because most of them dont want the damn bell it is a pipe dream to think that it would happen anytime in the very near future (or my lifetime for that matter). That having been said, I think Chop's earlier suggestion is a much better idea. Money does talk and if banded together we could use that to possibly affect change at the FSC. But again, who do you trust to collect the $$$ and then go to the FSC and negotiate the basic changes needed to be awarded the cash and who is going to play watchdog to ensure such changes are put in place and to regularly report on progress. __________________ Naked Girlfriend Porn TGP free partner account

2006-03-19, 08:29 PM	#7
walrus Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,773	karomesis, I am impressed (that and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee at the Coffee Bean) as first you quoted Sun Tzu and second that is definately thinking out side the box for a solution. It definately has my simple mind thinking and hopefully will merit some discussion. __________________ Naked Girlfriend Porn TGP free partner account

2006-03-18, 03:53 PM	#1
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Okay, so far, on the table we have two choices. The FSC, and starting our own trade association. (The trade association concept has several variations, but we will lump it together as one thing for now.) Can anyone think of any other alternatives that should be considered? How about the AFF and Paul Cambria? How about a fan association like FOXE?

2006-03-19, 05:33 PM	#3
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well, I think it's a bit too early to stop the opinion gathering phase yet. I also think people may be grossly underestimating the amount of work and trouble and expense involved in trying to start a webmaster association. And, trying to start our own association makes the question of "who bells the cat" - that is, who is in charge of the association, and who does the grunt work of the asociation - all the more pressing. Staffing an association is likely to be very tricky.

2006-03-19, 08:02 PM	#6
karomesis Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: pepperell,Massachusetts. Posts: 264	If I may interject; the war being waged against pornography is being waged primarily on behalf of religious citizenry, if we pick our battles carefully and come to the battlefield beforehand refreshed, they will hasten to it and be exhausted -sun tzu the art of war. The more mainstream businesses that see the viability of porn as a revenue generator, the more power adult webmasters will posess. When the tentacles of porn are as far reaching as other industries, there will be no recourse for those who wish our demise, they will have to negotiate or say goodbye to the dollars, and who wants to do that? The question is not if, but when, the tables will be turned. The power gained by adult webmasters as a cohesive orginization will come not through the advocation of laws preventing the abandonement of free speech, but rather, through a carefully planned and methodical operation to financially penetrate as many businesses and industries as possible. There are plenty of industries rife with corruption; how do they get away with it? by generating enough revenue to force their adversaries to contemplate life without them if they are crossed. That is what we should do. Financial and business penetration as fast and as far reaching as possible. There are some people who believe that if the cannabis trade were eradicated from western canada that entire industries would shut down almost overnight, why? because many businesses operate primarily on revenue generated by the illegal trade in cannabis. That is an illegal substance, we have many more advantages than them, the basis of our existence depended in the past on 1 single human desire sex. People have to have it. And that is where the adult webmaster holds the internet community in subservience. If we use it to our advantage we will come out victorious.