Fur - how can anybody be comfortable with this?

[RawAlex]

As my current girlfriend is Chinese, I have had some interesting insights into how china works and what chinese people have lived through.

Chinese people don't lose anything in making food. They have lived for many, many generations with little food, not enough food, and not regular enough supplies of food. So they eat more animals than we would consider (including dogs, cats, and about a million others you wouldn't even think of) and they tend to eat ALL of them.

There is no real rules against animal cruelity in China, so over many years techniques have been developed for the slaughter and processing of these animals that would not be up to our standards here.

Remember also that outside of the cities, many chinese still do not have things like fridges or ice boxes, so most of their food is "bought live" and killed at home, or killed at the market place where they buy it.

The life experience is totally different.

PETA is famous for shocking videos and revealing situations that would offend western (specifically American) eyes. They don't, however, propose any alternatives that are workable or attempt to make things better. They don't have a solution how to feed millions of chinese that would be without enough to eat, but they sure can protest and make a fuss.

If you are not bringing a solution to the table, protesting is just blowing hot air and making yourselves look important.

I don't condone what the people in these videos are doing, I don't think it is right, but I also don't think that it is representive of the entire chinese experience, no more than your local puppy mill is a good indication of how dogs are normally bred for commerical sale.

Alex

[bunky2u]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

As my current girlfriend is Chinese, I have had some interesting insights into how china works and what chinese people have lived through.

Chinese people don't lose anything in making food. They have lived for many, many generations with little food, not enough food, and not regular enough supplies of food. So they eat more animals than we would consider (including dogs, cats, and about a million others you wouldn't even think of) and they tend to eat ALL of them.

There is no real rules against animal cruelity in China, so over many years techniques have been developed for the slaughter and processing of these animals that would not be up to our standards here.

Remember also that outside of the cities, many chinese still do not have things like fridges or ice boxes, so most of their food is "bought live" and killed at home, or killed at the market place where they buy it.

The life experience is totally different.

PETA is famous for shocking videos and revealing situations that would offend western (specifically American) eyes. They don't, however, propose any alternatives that are workable or attempt to make things better. They don't have a solution how to feed millions of chinese that would be without enough to eat, but they sure can protest and make a fuss.

If you are not bringing a solution to the table, protesting is just blowing hot air and making yourselves look important.

I don't condone what the people in these videos are doing, I don't think it is right, but I also don't think that it is representive of the entire chinese experience, no more than your local puppy mill is a good indication of how dogs are normally bred for commerical sale.

Alex

what he said. It's all cultural and relative. A century or so ago in the states and in Canada people didn't have ice boxes and what not. People still needed to eat and a lot of the time it was a fresh kill. We can assume that the animals were killed quickly before they were butchered.

When you are poor and starving you make do with what you have. That is something most Western societies agree on... they just have a hard time wrapping their heads around skinning something that's alive. Our societies tend to Humanize animals... we transpose our feelings on to them, we think of them as having human like characteristics... all that is fine.

In China and other Asian countries, a dog is a dog and can be eaten. They are very certain that the dog, cat, pig has no emotions or feelings and is put there for their consumption.

As per the fur trade... those who like fur don't care where it comes from. They care if it looks good on them...

bunky

[Jim]

Originally Posted by bunky2u

As per the fur trade... those who like fur don't care where it comes from. They care if it looks good on them...

bunky

My Mother left my wife 2 full length Mink Coats. One Brown and one Black. Damn, she looks good in them

I don't like the killing of Cats, Dogs or any other domesticated animal. But I do like my leather coat, leather belts, leather boots, steaks and my favorite...cold lamb chop sandwiches

We have those pointy front teeth for a reason (I forget, what are they called ). And the reason isn't to chew celery.