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[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Boogie - I dont think anyone could make an accurate tool to see if you are sandboxed - of course that also requires that you believe a sandbox exists

Since I dont believe that it exists and that some people that have gotten in to the SEO game in the last two years dont understand how Google works - they think there is a sandbox when its usually something completely different that causes problems with their site - its just an easy blame game to play

If you are having trouble with a specific site let me know and we can take a look together and see what can be done

I thought I read an article on Google somewhere that claimed the sandbox existed and sort of explained how it worked. I may be wrong though, it was a while ago and a lot of expensive single malt has done it's work at killing my brain cells since then.

[Halfdeck]

I know this thread is over a year old but i thought since i had to go searching for it and found a GREAT useful link (like many listed here) i thought i'd swag my hips and give it the old BUMP!

I'm starting to write my own scripts to check my pages, but I've bookmarked alot of these links last year and they were a great help back then.

I thought I read an article on Google somewhere that claimed the sandbox existed and sort of explained how it worked.

ecchi, knowing whether the sandbox exists or not won't help me rank any higher on Google; in other words, I think it's a worthless debate. Plus its waaay off topic don't you think? (We should be posting more tools here, lol).

P.S. Anyway, here's the lastest thing I've heard regarding the sandbox: what people are perceiving as the sandbox is just a type of crawling delay, in line with what BD seems to have carved into stone, where lack of trust prevents Google from indexing large sites with little trust [not my personal opinion, just paraphrasing what I've heard].

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

ecchi, knowing whether the sandbox exists or not won't help me rank any higher on Google; in other words, I think it's a worthless debate. Plus its waaay off topic don't you think?

I'll agree that it is off topic for this thread (I was replying to a previous post) but not that it is a 'worthless debate' because the most important weapon in any 'war' is 'knowledge'. To win you have to 'know your enemy'. This is very true in SEO. None of those scripts you are working on will be any use if you do not know how long it takes Google to recognise your site. EG: your traffic suddenly doubles (or halves) from Google. Is that change due to something you did yesterday, last month, six months ago, a year back?

And as I rely a lot on 'cross linking', how long before Google trusts my new sites enough to take serious note in any PR they pass on (I think the answer is 1 year, ie if the link is still there after the time comes to renew a domain, because I find new 'clusters' of domains suddenly jump from PR0 or PR1 to PR3 or PR4 after a little over a year, if left on their own).

[Halfdeck]

ecchi, at the risk of completely de-railing this thread:

how long before Google trusts my new sites enough to take serious note in any PR they pass on

Domain age isn't a factor when calculating PR. PR is a reflection of links pointing into your network. If you link from 100 PR 7 domains to a new domain, that domain will lose PR 0 as soon as Google crawls those links (in other words, in a matter of days, not months). Of course, you won't see the new PR until the next PR update, but that's irrelevant.

"Does the sandbox exist?" is a worthless debate; knowing that it exists or not won't help me get indexed any quicker. Like I said, trust seems to be the new buzzword when talking about deep crawling post BD, and domain age is a factor in sizing up trust.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Domain age isn't a factor when calculating PR. PR is a reflection of links pointing into your network. If you link from 100 PR 7 domains to a new domain, that domain will lose PR 0 as soon as Google crawls those links (in other words, in a matter of days, not months). Of course, you won't see the new PR until the next PR update, but that's irrelevant.

I think (N.B. 'think', not 'know') that Google give more relevance to links from 'established' sites than new ones. I base this theory from the fact that in my 'non adult' work I tend to release sites in batches all linked together, then link them to my main network only when their PR is 3 or above. What usually happens is that they go from PR0 to PR1 in a few months, stick at PR1 for a long time, then suddenly all jump to PR3 or PR4 about a year or so after I started them, with only links to each other.

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

"Does the sandbox exist?" is a worthless debate; knowing that it exists or not won't help me get indexed any quicker. Like I said, trust seems to be the new buzzword when talking about deep crawling post BD, and domain age is a factor in sizing up trust.

Knowing if the sandbox exists or not will not speed up listing, but knowing will make a hell of a lot of difference in how well you optimise your site once it is out of the sandbox (or once it is listed if the sandbox does not exist). If you hope to do well at SEO, it is kind of important that you make an accuratish guess.

[Halfdeck]

knowing will make a hell of a lot of difference in how well you optimise your site once it is out of the sandbox (or once it is listed if the sandbox does not exist).

Only thing that's helpful to know is how to avoid getting sandboxed and how to crawl out of it once you're stuck in there. If you knew that, you'd have no reason to care.

BTW, I didn't say there's no point in knowing the answer to that question.. I only said the question leads to a meaningless discussion.