Can someone have a look at this free site for me?

SheepGuy · 2006-07-26, 09:58 PM

Doh! A freakin' url might help

http://www.hotwetvagina.com/dildo/

virgohippy · 2006-07-27, 12:30 AM

- You can use up to 3 outgoing links per page. I suggest you use 'em.

- I don't like the funky thumb resize job.

- I don't like the huge ad on your second gallery page. Ads called by scripts in general always make me feel a bit apprehensive for freesites too. At any moment, the sponsor could fuck with you. If it's your own site, fine, but you dont want to tarnish your reputation with a freesite.

- The word "young" in the outgoing url on gallery 2 will probably get you declined at some traffic producing places.

- "Click here to get instant access" is a bit blind, but okay by me.

Other than that, content is good, design is clean.

Useless · 2006-07-27, 12:51 AM

By today's free site standards, it's really quite horrific. But I mean that in the nicest possible manner. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick.

On the index:
The title isn't in the title bar. Only the word "dildo" is.
I've never seen the recip links on the very top. (Did you really submit it to DD's toplist?)
Every text link, including those in the recips, is that awful default blue color.
I'd prefer to see the graphic title on top, where it belongs.
Your adult warning is rather, well...more sales like than a warning. In fact, it may be the best text on the entire site.

On the main page (index2.htm):
Same situation with no real title in the browser title bar.
Text - "Yet Another Job The Robots Are Better At!!" Um, what?
No real story or build up. No real sales text.

Gallery one:
No title in the title bar (or on the page).
You thumb quality is very poor. You need to aim up to 5-7kbs each for small thumbs like that. They also look rather slipshod in there layout.
Two different banners for two different types of sites, yet no real sales push.

Gallery two:
No title in the title bar (or on the page).
HUGE banner ad loaded with blind thumbs - and it's all content you don't control, ie - it's hotlinked from a sponsor using Javascript (which is a banned element on free sites.)
Again, thumbs are scary.
You aren't attempting to promote anything.

In my opinion, you really need to surf around the GG's l-o-r or DD's and take a gander at modern free site structure and overall appearance. You really need to work on your sales text and approach. Don't waste your time building and submitting if you aren't selling anything. Sell, sell, sell.
I'm not one for the soft and cuddly approach, but this THE board to learn about free sites/link lists at and I have a sense that, even if that free site is junk, you are not a newbie.

SheepGuy · 2006-07-27, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

By today's free site standards, it's really quite horrific. But I mean that in the nicest possible manner. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick.

Ok Useless, yes you are a dick

No problem with me tho, you make some good points.
I'll do my thumbs with Fireworks and boost the quality as well as do a bit more homework on what's out there.
I'm not a newbie, but I'm here to learn so treat me as a newbie, and brutally honest is cool with me. I have thick skin and I haven't worked this part of the biz in a while.
My sales technique is far better than that example as well

Thanks man,

virgohippy · 2006-07-27, 02:43 AM

This thumb and this fullsize just don't sync in my eye. And I trust my eye far more than I trust any automation.

SSI for serving banners seems fine by me, just don't advertise it. Might give the newbies some bad ideas.

But as UW pointed out, the banner you've got up there has... like... 20 links? Plus the whole "what look like thumbs are actually linking to sponsors" thing. Ya have to be careful about that. If you have to, host the banner yourself, and fuck it up by slapping a big ass logo onto it... or better yet, some teaser text.

The only problem I have with java is that a lot of cheaters like to do sneaky shit with it, and a good freesite doesn't need it.

If you wanna keep using your hub, by all means continue to do so. Sounds like you've made quite an investement. Just thought it fair to warn you it might turn out to be a potential obstacle.

SheepGuy · 2006-07-27, 01:30 AM

I thought about using 3 outgoing per page, but I decided to keep it ultra clean.

Not sure what you mean by funky thumb resizing, I used an old program called Thumbnail to List, it's quick and keeps things in proportion, some of the fullsize pics aren't exactly standard, so I didn't want to mess with them.

About the ad on gallery 2, I thought that might be a problem, I could cut it to 1 row or resize it so it's smaller, or use one of their shitty banners, but the ad works very well for me. Also if it would make things easier I could have the ad in an SSI so if a sponsor dicks me around I could switch it on every site within a couple of minutes. It's a pretty generic ad so I could use it on every niche I use. But do most of the players have a problem with javascript? If so, well, that's the way it is and I'll live with it, but on a smaller ad in an SSI from a trusted wm who flies straight I don't understand why that would be.

The "young" in youngsmut is kind of essential to me, I've had the domain for about 8 years and no matter how politically correct things get, I'm going to keep it as my hub. I know it scares off even some sponsors but it is 100% legit, has good PR and works well for me, lots of bookmarks and a long history. I'm going to list every site I submit to others on it, and if I was to make a mirror on one of my other domains I'd feel like I was burning everyone who linked back to me. I don't mind sharing.

My main purpose in getting back into free sites is to drive traffic to my main linklist (youngsmut) and to sell cam memberships which are my best converters by far.

I really appreciate your input Virgo, I'm relearning this aspect of the biz and you've got me thinking. Which is very cool, and why I'm here on this forum.

2006-07-27, 12:30 AM	#2
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	- You can use up to 3 outgoing links per page. I suggest you use 'em. - I don't like the funky thumb resize job. - I don't like the huge ad on your second gallery page. Ads called by scripts in general always make me feel a bit apprehensive for freesites too. At any moment, the sponsor could fuck with you. If it's your own site, fine, but you dont want to tarnish your reputation with a freesite. - The word "young" in the outgoing url on gallery 2 will probably get you declined at some traffic producing places. - "Click here to get instant access" is a bit blind, but okay by me. Other than that, content is good, design is clean. __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-07-27, 12:51 AM	#3
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	By today's free site standards, it's really quite horrific. But I mean that in the nicest possible manner. I'm honestly not trying to be a dick. On the index: The title isn't in the title bar. Only the word "dildo" is. I've never seen the recip links on the very top. (Did you really submit it to DD's toplist?) Every text link, including those in the recips, is that awful default blue color. I'd prefer to see the graphic title on top, where it belongs. Your adult warning is rather, well...more sales like than a warning. In fact, it may be the best text on the entire site. On the main page (index2.htm): Same situation with no real title in the browser title bar. Text - "Yet Another Job The Robots Are Better At!!" Um, what? No real story or build up. No real sales text. Gallery one: No title in the title bar (or on the page). You thumb quality is very poor. You need to aim up to 5-7kbs each for small thumbs like that. They also look rather slipshod in there layout. Two different banners for two different types of sites, yet no real sales push. Gallery two: No title in the title bar (or on the page). HUGE banner ad loaded with blind thumbs - and it's all content you don't control, ie - it's hotlinked from a sponsor using Javascript (which is a banned element on free sites.) Again, thumbs are scary. You aren't attempting to promote anything. In my opinion, you really need to surf around the GG's l-o-r or DD's and take a gander at modern free site structure and overall appearance. You really need to work on your sales text and approach. Don't waste your time building and submitting if you aren't selling anything. Sell, sell, sell. I'm not one for the soft and cuddly approach, but this THE board to learn about free sites/link lists at and I have a sense that, even if that free site is junk, you are not a newbie. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling. Last edited by Useless; 2006-07-27 at 12:55 AM..

2006-07-27, 02:43 AM	#5
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	This thumb and this fullsize just don't sync in my eye. And I trust my eye far more than I trust any automation. SSI for serving banners seems fine by me, just don't advertise it. Might give the newbies some bad ideas. But as UW pointed out, the banner you've got up there has... like... 20 links? Plus the whole "what look like thumbs are actually linking to sponsors" thing. Ya have to be careful about that. If you have to, host the banner yourself, and fuck it up by slapping a big ass logo onto it... or better yet, some teaser text. The only problem I have with java is that a lot of cheaters like to do sneaky shit with it, and a good freesite doesn't need it. If you wanna keep using your hub, by all means continue to do so. Sounds like you've made quite an investement. Just thought it fair to warn you it might turn out to be a potential obstacle. __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-07-27, 01:30 AM	#6
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Cool! Thanks and a couple of questions I thought about using 3 outgoing per page, but I decided to keep it ultra clean. Not sure what you mean by funky thumb resizing, I used an old program called Thumbnail to List, it's quick and keeps things in proportion, some of the fullsize pics aren't exactly standard, so I didn't want to mess with them. About the ad on gallery 2, I thought that might be a problem, I could cut it to 1 row or resize it so it's smaller, or use one of their shitty banners, but the ad works very well for me. Also if it would make things easier I could have the ad in an SSI so if a sponsor dicks me around I could switch it on every site within a couple of minutes. It's a pretty generic ad so I could use it on every niche I use. But do most of the players have a problem with javascript? If so, well, that's the way it is and I'll live with it, but on a smaller ad in an SSI from a trusted wm who flies straight I don't understand why that would be. The "young" in youngsmut is kind of essential to me, I've had the domain for about 8 years and no matter how politically correct things get, I'm going to keep it as my hub. I know it scares off even some sponsors but it is 100% legit, has good PR and works well for me, lots of bookmarks and a long history. I'm going to list every site I submit to others on it, and if I was to make a mirror on one of my other domains I'd feel like I was burning everyone who linked back to me. I don't mind sharing. My main purpose in getting back into free sites is to drive traffic to my main linklist (youngsmut) and to sell cam memberships which are my best converters by far. I really appreciate your input Virgo, I'm relearning this aspect of the biz and you've got me thinking. Which is very cool, and why I'm here on this forum.

2006-07-26, 09:58 PM	#1
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Doh! A freakin' url might help http://www.hotwetvagina.com/dildo/