Traffic - I need good advice on buying traffic

[Simon]

Cool...some good feedback!

UW - Thanks for jumping in. That sounds like what I'm wanting to try. No blind clicks, or 404, or skimmed or anything like that. I'm interested in surfers who click a link which send them exactly where they think they're going. Mostly I'm looking to build bookmarkers, faster, but I wouldn't mind if some of them turned into spenders too. I'll take a look at what Traffic-out offers.

Toby - I don't think I have the whole gallery paradigm nailed well enough to try sending traffic directly to one of my galleries. I'd rather feed traffic into a MLL/MGP site if we can. I sent a note to AskJolene to see if they take anything besides galleries and paysites. I'll check out Spotbrokers to see how their setup works too. Breaking even would be fine if we can pick up some bookmarkers even at the breakeven point.

Bluemoney - Thanks for the info. I'll take a look at AdultGalleria and see how their PPC system might do for us.

Babymaker - Interesting that you found the least expensive traffic did well for building bookmarkers. I took a quick look at TrafficHolder and I'll drop them a note to see if they have traffic that isn't quite so blind. But it might be interesting to test how that kind of traffic likes it when they don't find any more blind links once they get here. Maybe that does turn into bookmarkers because they don't want to forget the site that didn't send them somewhere else.

Juggernaut - That's exactly the statement I've heard many times. But I've taken to wondering about whether it's just too broad a statement to apply across the board. For instance, you mentioned that the traffic you were sending to you paysite was generating signups. If you're not getting enough signups to breakeven on the cost of the traffic, then I'd stop too. But I'd be sure I was tracking the lifetime value of the member. Hell, if I could get near breakeven on initial signups that would be excellent, since the rebills would be gravy.

I'd still like to hear more people weigh in on the "if someone is selling it, then how good can it really be?" theory. I'm still a little surprised that no traffic sellers have replied with any rebuttals to that premise.

UW Part II - I've always accepted the baseline that forced traffic isn't worth much of anything. I'm still not interested in popunder and 404 traffic, but I'm thinking that it might be worth testing how traffic from cj-type sources sticks around when they find a non-cj site with plenty of content pages to entertain them.

Okay, so far I have these sources that someone here has tried:

Traffic-Out
TrafficHolder
AskJolene
Spotbrokers
Jugg's secret source

Has anyone use chokertraffic.com? I thought I'd seen some people post that they'd used them with some success. Are they the same as chickentraffic.com?

Any other good sources for traffic?

Any sources that are definitely ones to avoid?

More feedback sought, for anyone who'd still like to chime in here.

[KG Gary]

For the past few days I've been sending a few thousand extra visitors to two of my sites using Traffic Holder:
Fake LL/Hub - http://www.pynio.com/
Webcam Site - http://www.pyniosexchat.com/

I've used various types of the listed available traffic: UK, US, Canadian, general high quality, and webcams.
At this early stage the webcam traffic seems to be the most productive, and I'm quite happy with the service.
That's all I have though. Sorry to not be in a position to offer more info.

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Simon

Juggernaut - That's exactly the statement I've heard many times. But I've taken to wondering about whether it's just too broad a statement to apply across the board. For instance, you mentioned that the traffic you were sending to you paysite was generating signups. If you're not getting enough signups to breakeven on the cost of the traffic, then I'd stop too. But I'd be sure I was tracking the lifetime value of the member. Hell, if I could get near breakeven on initial signups that would be excellent, since the rebills would be gravy.

I bought my traffic from http://adult-site-traffic.com sorry for not posting it. I have always had a good relationship with the owner. Nothing super friendly but he has always been fair to me and willing to work with me when I need him. He sends traffic to my cam site and it's a free sign up. I get about 1:120 roughly signing up for free and bothering the girls on yahoo. Out of the sign ups I have not kept track as of late being I have a shit load of stuff going on in my life and really dont have much time anymore hence the after 10pm postings. But I make enough to pay for the hosting and buy some ice cream for me and the wife. I get my ccbill emails every other day or so for a $20 ro $50 spot purchase on the ladies. I do this cause I like to. Sure I would love to make it full time but I don't have the resources to commit to full time. I have too many bills to take such a large risk of leaving my job for something that in my mind is very very touch and go with making it work long term. The big boys who really are making a living at this full time worked their asses of durring a differant time with the internet. Times when you could toss up some nudes on a site and pull in 10, 20 30 k for a month or summer. I honestly think those days are gone unless you have the $$ to back it up an keep it running. I think most of the people here wish they could go really fulltime but know in the back of their minds it would not last 10 or 20 years. I'm someone who thinks realisticly and looks way to far ahead to risk so much on the internet. Sure it can pay off but odds are it won't and I really don't think I'm so special that I can make it pay off. I'm just an average joe with a hot cam wife who both love porn. But more then anything as a man 2nd to fucking my wife I love $$ and traditional jobs are what do that for me. Anyway blah blah blah from jugg..

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Simon

Cool...some good feedback!

Babymaker - Interesting that you found the least expensive traffic did well for building bookmarkers. I took a quick look at TrafficHolder and I'll drop them a note to see if they have traffic that isn't quite so blind. But it might be interesting to test how that kind of traffic likes it when they don't find any more blind links once they get here. Maybe that does turn into bookmarkers because they don't want to forget the site that didn't send them somewhere else.

It was pretty interesting both Stu and i were trying all the various types they had for a few days and sending it to different places some to galleries some to tour pages and then to our own sites, we tried the most expensive and cheapest and least and most trageted for all the different landing spots we were using only thing that was worth it was the no cookie 1.30 per K going to our TGPs and it picked up a good bit of bookmarkers, i think it is because the surfer was being thrown around through the CJ hell of skim tgps and then landed on our quality no skim sites that they stayed. True i have a refcode in there hehe but it's only a 5% payout lol and it goes right back to traffic you can skip it if you buy from them. Traffic Out is good too i have bought from them a few times but for 1.30 a K the other just is too good to pass up. One thing to keep in mind too for anyone here don't send any of the traffic to tour pages lol....it fucks up the shave bots big time and puts you in a new shave braket as the script now thinks your a whale and will push your ratios in the wrong direction, so not only will you not make a sale off the forced traffic, your good traffic you send of off freesites etc will now not convert the same and you will lose sales....so avoid this idea ....err...wait i mean sponsors don't shave lol

[Mr. Blue]

I'ved used the following:

Traffic-out - the traffic was good and productive. It was a little slow in the delivery, but well worth it.

Choker - Now, I've run some careful experiments with choker traffic. I've tried it on some galleries. Galleries that would normally convert at 1:300 with standard tgp traffic, would convert at 1:5000 with choker traffic. I still turned a profit but not enough to keep me interested in trying it

FPCTraffic - Ravo is pretty reliable traffic and pretty good cheap feeder traffic. You can buy a variety of traffic from clicked North American only, etc, etc, etc.

If you're looking for traffic to build a hub, tgp, or linklist, I'd probably recommend going directly to some established tgps and think about buying links with them.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by babymaker

One thing to keep in mind too for anyone here don't send any of the traffic to tour pages lol....it fucks up the shave bots big time and puts you in a new shave braket as the script now thinks your a whale and will push your ratios in the wrong direction, so not only will you not make a sale off the forced traffic, your good traffic you send of off freesites etc will now not convert the same and you will lose sales....so avoid this idea ....err...wait i mean sponsors don't shave lol

Gee, I didn't even think about that...but yeah now that you say it, lol.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Gee, I didn't even think about that...but yeah now that you say it, lol.

Shhhh, lol....that could never be true lol....

[MonsterPartners]

I have several of my own (private) sites that I keep on a slow feed of choker traffic (the good stuff). It helps build up the numbers over time and I find that my PR ends up going up faster that way.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Originally Posted by MonsterPartners

I have several of my own (private) sites that I keep on a slow feed of choker traffic (the good stuff). It helps build up the numbers over time and I find that my PR ends up going up faster that way.

FYI - The link in your sig has an extra http://

[Simon]

Nice...even more feedback

Hiya Emma - I flat out agree 100% with your premise. I've spent the last ten years or so building free traffic out of elbow grease. In this case I'm not looking to point it at our own paysites. It's for a new project so I'm considering alternative traffic sources. When you send purchased traffic to a toplist, do you send it directly to the toplist url or to your own page(s) first? I'm asking since it seems that some traffic sources are choosy about where they'll send the traffic.

Babymaker - That's pretty much what I'm thinking would happen. You stop jerking them around and they decide to hang out for awhile. I agree on not sending purchased traffic direct to sponsor's tour pages. At least not unless you can use a text link which says "Pay $35 And Up EVERY Month for Porn Site Memberships!" to generate the traffic. Otherwise you're correct that it would most likely throw off your ratios. Even worse would be to send skimmed clicks from thumb tgps direct to no-trial join pages with no images on them. Can you say "back button?" (Plus, no sense getting yourself shaved before you can afford it (fuckers)).

Mr. Blue - Thanks for more good comments! I appreciate the tip about trying to buy text links on established tgps. I thought some traffic sources/brokers get the traffic they resell that way, but going direct might be good too, if they don't already sell their links through a broker.

Your feedback on traffic-out sounds good, since slow is fine if the quality is there. You mentioned FPCTraffic. I signed up there awhile ago when someone mentioned them but looking around inside, all I could see were ways to sell my traffic to them. It was only when I went there today that I looked through the faq page and found a link to where they sell traffic. Sounds like it's worth checking out now I've found my way.

Meanwhile, what doesn't sound so good are the test results from Choker. If you have galleries you've tuned to convert at 1:300 for tgps, then I could see them doing maybe 1:1,200 until you figured out how to retune for whatever kind(s) of traffic you were getting. But 1:5,000 seems excessive.

You said that with choker traffic you "still turned a profit but not enough to keep me interested in trying it." So one question for anyone who cares to answer. How small does the profit have to be before you aren't interested in continuing with something you're testing?

I'm asking because my background before moving to the adult online business included some time spent running a direct response marketing business that I started when I lived in NYC. (David Ogilvy was my hero.) My rules were old school simple. Test, retest, and test again. Basically ABT - Always Be Testing. I had campaigns where the idea was to literally "make a buck" on a test. Any test which made a buck would be retested with bigger numbers to see if the test results held. The target was to refine an offer so you could make it to 1,000 times the number who were offered the first test and make $1,000 instead of one buck. Ideally you'd want to be able to rollout against 1,000,000 times the tested retests and make a million.

So how small a profit do you have to make to consider a test a failure on something like the choker traffic test?

MonsterPartners - Thanks for jumping in. The points you brought up are definitely on my list of why I'm considering trying some purchased traffic. Sounds like your experiences with choker traffic are good enough that you're continuing with what you're doing there.

Hiya Dr B - Thanks for dropping by!

And thanks again to everyone. Still plenty of room for more good ideas, comments, and warnings, so if you have some, come post 'em.

Simon