Link O'Rama Rule Changes (yipee)

Greenguy · 2006-08-15, 02:41 PM

WarBot - so 2 more pics per page is going to cause surfers to not sign up to a paysite? Bigger pics will do this too?

You looked at a 500x375 pic lately? It's fucking tiny!

I'm here to make everyone happy - submitters, surfers & myself. To me, this is not that big of a deal.

People have bitched for the last year that 800 was too small, so I increase that as well as some other things based on that & it's a bad idea?

WarBot · 2006-08-15, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

WarBot - so 2 more pics per page is going to cause surfers to not sign up to a paysite? Bigger pics will do this too?

You looked at a 500x375 pic lately? It's fucking tiny!

I'm here to make everyone happy - submitters, surfers & myself. To me, this is not that big of a deal.

People have bitched for the last year that 800 was too small, so I increase that as well as some other things based on that & it's a bad idea?

I agree that 500x375 is tiny. And yes, its my <u>opinion</u> that more + higher quality free content = less sales. Most of my images are 640x480 or 680x510, both are too small for link-o-rama. Im no expert and its your site, Im just offering you my thoughts.

Cheers
WB

frankthetank · 2006-08-16, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

WarBot - so 2 more pics per page is going to cause surfers to not sign up to a paysite? Bigger pics will do this too?

You looked at a 500x375 pic lately? It's fucking tiny!

I'm here to make everyone happy - submitters, surfers & myself. To me, this is not that big of a deal.

People have bitched for the last year that 800 was too small, so I increase that as well as some other things based on that & it's a bad idea?

I don´t think two additional pics will have any influence to the signups. But on the other hand content requirements are growing steadily.

The only really bad thing coming with the 12/24 pics rule is that I can´t build freesites easily from my galleries. I´m using 20 pics for galleries and could split those pics on two freesites. Now I have to use 4 more pics, so I have to change my building process.

Bill · 2006-08-16, 04:01 PM

I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.

RedCherry · 2006-08-16, 04:26 PM

Thanks! That helps me, I can do 600x600 pics for my one site that has square pics.

I just did a site today at 650x650, and I think 1 pic ended up over 100k due to the quality. I'm not about to compress the shit out of them, lol.

And YIPPEE on the 1024!

You can only fit so much stuff in 750, so that gives you more room for different layouts.

I'm going to change the rules on my link lists to allow up to 1024 wide. I use 1280x1024 resolution on my 2 monitors and 800 wide max sites look really small, lol.

Glad I like making 12 pic galleries for my free sites, that won't bother me at all.

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.

Me neither. But what can we do!

Useless · 2006-08-16, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Quotealex

Me neither. But what can we do!

What is it exactly that you don't like? Is it the minimum pic size going up just slightly? It really is a slight increase in size. Hell, for a lot of free site builders, these new rules merely acknowledge what they've been doing all along.

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What is it exactly that you don't like? .

Both actually. I like to make my fs with the least amount of pictures as required and make them as small as possible.

virgohippy · 2006-08-16, 08:45 PM

I'm more than happy about dropping the 800 screen width rule!

I don't think the pic size will affect the way I do things all that much either. Means my bandwidth will go up a bit... but... eh.

Warbot, I agree that giving away free stuff makes sales harder, but think about it this way: if sites that list links to 4 page ads have to compete with sites that list TONS of free galleries, can you see where there's a need to adapt?

Personally, I'd hate to see my warning page sales dissappear because all the surfers keep graduating to TGP's.

Whatever's necessary to keep the LL game going forward is good by me.

I think Greenie made a careful balance here. And I, for one, take no shame in being a copycat!

ponygirl · 2006-08-16, 08:48 PM

I'm going to venture into the fray here

I do prefer bigger thumbs, simply because it pisses me off to no end to surf and see tiny little pics. I think it's a waste of a surfer's time to have to click thru to each pic to see which ones they like. I see the bigger thumbs as a preview to the bigger pic, so what's the point if they can't even make it out? One pic can make a sale if it hits the right nerve

I also have stated that I think 12 thumbs makes it easier for a builder to vary their gallery templates. You can arrange 12 differently more easily than 10 imo (and from what I see as a reviewer myself).

As for the full size, well ever since Cleo upped her pic size rules I've been making them bigger too (not quite 1200 combined, but close) and to be honest, I really haven't noticed a difference in click thrus or conversions. If they're going to buy, they're going to buy because they want to & your site is the best they see advertising what they wanted anyway. You catch more flies with honey...and all that

but that's just my opinion. I don't think GG is going to see many people taking him out of their submit list, and if they do, well more for me

Kinky · 2006-08-16, 08:44 PM

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

if you see some free porn samples that don't get your crotch stiff or your panties wet are you gonna buy anything? probably not but if you see something that you would like to see more of you are gonna check it out more

alot of the "freeloaders" are just looking for the best quality, not neccesarily eating up all the bad content out there

surfers are on your sites to check out your samples, bad samples leads to quick click backs, if they think the sites being advertised are going to contain the same type of content as your samples they are not going to buy anything from you

Quotealex · 2006-08-16, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kinky Jones

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

And if you give alot of free sample every day, why would they need to buy it when they can just return to the grocery store every day and get some more free sample as they please!

swedguy · 2006-08-17, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kinky Jones

if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some

Who do you think sell the most?

A sales guy that really know his product and give away free samples to give the customer a feel for the product but HE sells the product?

Or a guy that doesn't know his product, but give away free samples and hope that the product will sell itself?

EDIT: Clarified. Comparing apples to apples

JustRobert · 2006-08-16, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What is it exactly that you don't like? Is it the minimum pic size going up just slightly? It really is a slight increase in size. Hell, for a lot of free site builders, these new rules merely acknowledge what they've been doing all along.

Your exactly right. I will not say that all my sites fit in with the new rules but a high percentage do, so this is really no problem.

Useless is also correct about surfers going to tgps. All my images for them are cut at 700+ with 15 pics a page and a hell of alot more traffic than LL's have ever given. And yet with all these increases I pay less than half of what I use to for bandwidth just a couple of years ago. It really is a wash. I do not do videos because I think the surfer should pay for that. But in time I will probably have to change my thought about this as well.

No gripes on you warbot, I understand your posts are just debate and debate only not complaints. Just like mine, not complaining, just debating with those that have been in the business longer so I can understand better.

2006-08-15, 02:41 PM	#1
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	WarBot - so 2 more pics per page is going to cause surfers to not sign up to a paysite? Bigger pics will do this too? You looked at a 500x375 pic lately? It's fucking tiny! I'm here to make everyone happy - submitters, surfers & myself. To me, this is not that big of a deal. People have bitched for the last year that 800 was too small, so I increase that as well as some other things based on that & it's a bad idea? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-08-16, 04:26 PM	#5
RedCherry Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV Posts: 3,187	Thanks! That helps me, I can do 600x600 pics for my one site that has square pics. I just did a site today at 650x650, and I think 1 pic ended up over 100k due to the quality. I'm not about to compress the shit out of them, lol. And YIPPEE on the 1024! You can only fit so much stuff in 750, so that gives you more room for different layouts. I'm going to change the rules on my link lists to allow up to 1024 wide. I use 1280x1024 resolution on my 2 monitors and 800 wide max sites look really small, lol. Glad I like making 12 pic galleries for my free sites, that won't bother me at all. __________________ Our 3D Comics and Props on Renderotica

2006-08-16, 08:45 PM	#9
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I'm more than happy about dropping the 800 screen width rule! I don't think the pic size will affect the way I do things all that much either. Means my bandwidth will go up a bit... but... eh. Warbot, I agree that giving away free stuff makes sales harder, but think about it this way: if sites that list links to 4 page ads have to compete with sites that list TONS of free galleries, can you see where there's a need to adapt? Personally, I'd hate to see my warning page sales dissappear because all the surfers keep graduating to TGP's. Whatever's necessary to keep the LL game going forward is good by me. I think Greenie made a careful balance here. And I, for one, take no shame in being a copycat! __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-08-16, 08:48 PM	#10
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	I'm going to venture into the fray here I do prefer bigger thumbs, simply because it pisses me off to no end to surf and see tiny little pics. I think it's a waste of a surfer's time to have to click thru to each pic to see which ones they like. I see the bigger thumbs as a preview to the bigger pic, so what's the point if they can't even make it out? One pic can make a sale if it hits the right nerve I also have stated that I think 12 thumbs makes it easier for a builder to vary their gallery templates. You can arrange 12 differently more easily than 10 imo (and from what I see as a reviewer myself). As for the full size, well ever since Cleo upped her pic size rules I've been making them bigger too (not quite 1200 combined, but close) and to be honest, I really haven't noticed a difference in click thrus or conversions. If they're going to buy, they're going to buy because they want to & your site is the best they see advertising what they wanted anyway. You catch more flies with honey...and all that but that's just my opinion. I don't think GG is going to see many people taking him out of their submit list, and if they do, well more for me __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources Last edited by ponygirl; 2006-08-16 at 08:49 PM.. Reason: 2 posts while I made mine - this is a hot topic isn't it ;)

2006-08-16, 08:44 PM	#11
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	if you go to a grocery store and get a free sample and it tastes like shit are you going to buy some of it? hell no but if it tastes great you MIGHT buy some if you see some free porn samples that don't get your crotch stiff or your panties wet are you gonna buy anything? probably not but if you see something that you would like to see more of you are gonna check it out more alot of the "freeloaders" are just looking for the best quality, not neccesarily eating up all the bad content out there surfers are on your sites to check out your samples, bad samples leads to quick click backs, if they think the sites being advertised are going to contain the same type of content as your samples they are not going to buy anything from you __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2006-08-16, 04:01 PM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I don't particularly like it, but what can you do.