The 3 Outgoing Links

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Damn, I wish I had the amount of submissions you must have to so liberally reject sites for trivial reasons.

I dunno... think it about it this way:

If I work hard to build up an environment where I hope to market porn, not traffic, why would I introduce an element that could disturb that market?

There are plenty of other webmasters who are willing to focus on sales first and allow the traffic build up slowly over time.

What's the point of owning a LL anyway? To make money by converting traffic to $$$, right? As a LL owner, part of that involves making sure submitters make money from their freesites so they can continue to submit, but a LL is not a toplist afterall. |shocking|

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

I dunno... think it about it this way:

If I work hard to build up an environment where I hope to market porn, not traffic, why would I introduce an element that could disturb that market?

There are plenty of other webmasters who are willing to focus on sales first and allow the traffic build up slowly over time.

What's the point of owning a LL anyway? To make money by converting traffic to $$$, right? As a LL owner, part of that involves making sure submitters make money from their freesites so they can continue to submit, but a LL is not a toplist afterall. |shocking|

I don't really understand your points here and I'm not trying to bust your balls, but I'll just give you my opinion, which I probably should have done last night minus the sarcasm.

IMO, with a LL in it's infancy as JustRoberts is, his first priority should not be harvesting traffic but instead harvesting loyal submitters. If he wants to deny for a hub link at the top of the page, that's fine it's his list, his choice. And yes there are submitters out there that won't put a hub list up on top of the page, but why ostracize the ones that do?

From his further explaination of the situation you can see there were other things going on with that submitter, so maybe his original response sounded like he was much more strict about this then he might actually be with a good clean submission.

Yes, you are right a linklist is not a toplist. A linklist is supposed to list free sites with no more then 3 outgoing links. If you are deciding what links are appropriate to be in a certain position or of a certain text height then is it still a linklist?

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I don't really understand your points here and I'm not trying to bust your balls, but I'll just give you my opinion, which I probably should have done last night minus the sarcasm.

No worries. I don't mind serious talk, and I had a hard time thinking clearly when I posted last night anyway.

Originally Posted by Preacher

IMO, with a LL in it's infancy as JustRoberts is, his first priority should not be harvesting traffic but instead harvesting loyal submitters. If he wants to deny for a hub link at the top of the page, that's fine it's his list, his choice. And yes there are submitters out there that won't put a hub list up on top of the page, but why ostracize the ones that do?

Harvesting loyal submitters is a priority, absolutely. But if harvesting loyal submitters doesn't mean gathering traffic, how else would you do it? Courting submitters by being nice, or being a GG&J board member, is all well and good, but in the end it is about traffic.

In the short term, the fewer submitters the less that pie has to be divided up. IMO, courting *quality* submitters, who contribute more than other submitters, is more important.

Originally Posted by Preacher

From his further explaination of the situation you can see there were other things going on with that submitter, so maybe his original response sounded like he was much more strict about this then he might actually be with a good clean submission.

When I think of an especially obvious hub link, what comes to mind first is a handful of submitters who change their name and email address every month, submit the same templates but use different colors, and have very prominent links to their hubs which list hundreds of galleries.

It is a matter of intent. If they're feeding a market space similar to what I'm building then they're compatible, and I have much less of a problem. If they're building up a market space which isn't compatible with my own then I have a problem.

So, yeah, it's not so much the link itself, but what they're doing with that link and why. I guess I'm just a bit jaded.

Originally Posted by Preacher

If you are deciding what links are appropriate to be in a certain position or of a certain text height then is it still a linklist?

I see your point here. Hard rules about placement aren't good for anyone.

I sound strict, but I wouldn't decline your sites with modest links to non-sponsor sites, Preacher, even if I didn't know they were yours. It's not a hard and fast rule, it's more of a question of fairness and intent.