Page Ranks And Your Thoughts About Them...

ShermsShack · 2004-01-18, 07:32 AM

Hey guys.

For quite a while, I've seen countless individuals doing PR trades and linking any site out there for a simple "PR Boost". The result is a bunch of sites with no traffic linking to other sites with no traffic, and generally these links are at the bottom of a site and they'll never get any exposure. Sure the PR increases, but is google or any other SE really sending truckloads of traffic? What does PR mean to you, and do you really (personally) see a huge traffic influx when you climb higher?

My guess is that this practice won't be successful much longer, if it's even successful at all. I've done this ONCE and I can honestly say that it never did any more for my PR other than dropping it. The most beneficial thing for me has always been to trade hard links with other sites that I respect and that can send an equal amount of traffic back (or more, and sometimes even less). Overall this seems to be the best for me, and it's brought my PR up to a decent level (PR5's +).

What are your REAL thoughts and experiences with PR trading? Has PR trading worked for you? What do you really get out of it personally? When will people get back to linking sites that they like?!

Cleo · 2004-01-18, 08:00 AM

Considering that as far as I can tell the whole page rank thing started off as nothing more then a gimmick to try to get Windows IE users to install the toolbar before Google was popular I don't see where it has any real use.

Just my 2¢

Surfn · 2004-01-18, 08:28 AM

I've never traded for PR. I do hard links with friends on my established sites and take chances with hard link trades on new sites with other new sites.

Greenguy · 2004-01-18, 09:29 AM

I have seen some nice results trading for PR as far as getting traffic from google for my keywords a few months down the road.

I have also seen no results from some of the trades - LOL

But all in all, I think it's worth it

spacemanspiff · 2004-01-18, 09:49 AM

PR is just one of the factors that effect how your site ranks in google. There are quite a few others.

A good analogy is the college football BCS rankings, if you followed that CF faisco. Your rank is effected by who you played/beat/loss to (link to), but their rank is effected by who they played/beat/loss to (link to) and on, and on, and on.

A high PR simple means that google:

1. Knows about and has indexed the site.
2. Knows about and has indexed a lot of other sites that link to the site.

Traffic trading and PR trading don't have to be mutually exclusive. There's no reason you can't do both.

ShermsShack · 2004-01-18, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spacemanspiff
PR is just one of the factors that effect how your site ranks in google. There are quite a few others.

A good analogy is the college football BCS rankings, if you followed that CF faisco. Your rank is effected by who you played/beat/loss to (link to), but their rank is effected by who they played/beat/loss to (link to) and on, and on, and on.

A high PR simple means that google:

1. Knows about and has indexed the site.
2. Knows about and has indexed a lot of other sites that link to the site.

Traffic trading and PR trading don't have to be mutually exclusive. There's no reason you can't do both.

On a scale, how many links between traffic trading links and PR links are spidered by SE's? If you have a linklist with 200+ active links, plus hard links, plus PR trade links on the bottom, how useful do you think PR links actually are?

I'm in no means doubting anybody's linking practices. I'm just trying to get a grasp on this while seeing how everybody feels about this topic. In my opinion, this recent outburst in PR trades is a little excessive, while people who are doing the trading arens SEO'ing their sites.

spacemanspiff · 2004-01-18, 09:01 PM

There's a theory that google only spiders so many links on a page, like the first 100 or so. I don't know if that's the number, or even if it's true at all. Some say it's a text thing, like the first x number of characters. I really don't have a clue.

There's a lot of back and forth about whether a non-recip trade is better than a recip trade. Actually, there's a lot of back and forth about everything you can imagine. When all's said and done, you can't get hurt getting good quality sites to link to you, and you can't get hurt linking to good quality sites.

Nige · 2004-01-19, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spacemanspiff
Some say it's a text thing, like the first x number of characters. I really don't have a clue.

Google doesn't index more than the first 101k of a html page.

Linkster · 2004-01-19, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nige
Google doesn't index more than the first 101k of a html page.

Be careful of the words you use - indexing and caching are two completely different things - remember as well that the 101k shown as the max in the SERPs is because that is the limit they have set for storing the cached copy - and does not include graphics - as far as indexing(I assume you mean spidering) I have never seen hard proof that there is a limit - and for that matter I have seen plenty of exceptions

Nige · 2004-01-19, 03:12 PM

Well, I exchanged backlinks on a site (PR4) that was bigger than 101k, and my backlinks were after the first 101k and they did not show up when I checked which sites link back to me. And I saw this happen with several sites that I linked to..

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 12:06 AM

well i just paid the bill on my godady domains site it is just a template i made a year ago it came back up 20 minutes ago pr6 and even the internal pages but 1 are a pr6 either google really is broke or i am going insane i give up trying to figure out google anymore this site does not have 1 back link just links going off of it and it is a shit site with little or no relevance to anything. but to thoose that i did trade to from if when it hit pr5 it is good news, since it had dropped way down now it is a pr6 and the big update is cumming so hopfully we will all benifit

Alphawolf · 2004-01-21, 02:11 AM

babymaker,

If it's the site in your profile- it's showing as a 3 for me.

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 02:19 AM

no its my domains site not sure whats in my profile lol i forget.

domains site pr6

i had it checked at ans all showed a pr6 too. take a look horrible template site dont know why a pr6.

DangerDave · 2004-01-21, 03:37 AM

It's not PR6

DD

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 03:44 AM

really i checked like 10 times and had about ten people at ANS check too, what does it show for you???

http://www.adultxxxdomains.com

copy that in and double check for me if u have a sec?? thanx

i was surprised myself but i did have it checked all over the world and checked here ten times. i know it doesnt deserve it but thats what i am seeing let me know if u have a sec thanx.

Linkster · 2004-01-21, 06:34 AM

It is showing a PR6 and its because of all of the cafepress backlinks from the stores - 190 or so of them - and other "unusual" backlinks - Google is showing what they found

Of course if you look at any of the backlinks they dont have a link to you unless they were pulled recently so its one of those Google data errors

spacemanspiff · 2004-01-21, 06:48 AM

I saw 197 backlinks, but I couldn't find a link to that page on any of the ones I checked. Maybe the had links on them recently and were pulled for whatever reason, and google hasn't found out about it yet or hasn't updated their backlink database, assuming they have such a thing.

Linkster · 2004-01-21, 07:11 AM

Ive noticed that Google is having that problem alot lately - also noticed most of their datacenters are down which leads me to believe they are testing something

Ive seen some new SERPs floating in and out in the last day or so - but looked like the algo was being worked on

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 12:30 PM

its definatley an error but in my favor for once lol, ps how do u check for backlinks in google???

Alphawolf · 2004-01-21, 12:38 PM

If you don't have the toolbar...

At google:

link:www.domain.com

link:domain.com

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 01:23 PM

DOH! lol boy am i a fucking idiot lol...never checked that blue i button on my google toolbar lol. thanx for the info was always wondering where people were getting all the backlinks info. and thoose lnks to my domains site i have no idea where thoose came from definatley an error|rasta| one of them is a resturaunt from the town i grew up in lol that one was a lil spooky. should google be updating pr this week?? i am hopng i can transfer a little at least to my other sites b4 this drops like a rock.

Alphawolf · 2004-01-21, 01:48 PM

Your best bet is to check here:

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/

I found Linkster on that board and he tipped me off to this board.

DangerDave · 2004-01-21, 03:11 PM

It may look like a PR6 and smell like a PR6... but it aint!

...and its not an error.

DD

babymaker · 2004-01-21, 04:58 PM

so what does that mean if its not an error will it stay pr6 and why if its not an error is google showing 197 backlinks that dont exist??? i had the same thing on ths site b4 it went to a pr5 for 3 months but then dropped to a 2 i think.

Linkster · 2004-01-23, 08:57 AM

Been thinking about the original question - it kinda brings up a misconception that alot of people have and have been basing trades on - that page rank and toolbar PR are one and the same - they are not in my opinion. Page rank is the overall basis of the algorithm used by Google to determine importance of a page based on hundreds of factors (like text, link backs etc.) and determines the results in the SERPs for particular searches. Toolbar PR is just a logarithmic display of the pages standing compared to all pages on the web and is distributed down starting with googles index page (the top of the heap). The "toolbar PR" is just one factor in the actual Page Ranking in the results - and determines a few other thing such as spidering frequency etc.
Unfortunately most trades that are performed use the toolbar PR as the basis instead of what DDave was referring to above which is the "real" PR of a page and has lead to the "PR whore" designation of some that look no further than the toolbar.

Enough spouting - feel free to jump all over this

2004-01-18, 07:32 AM	#1
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2004-01-18, 08:00 AM	#2
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2004-01-18, 09:29 AM	#4
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2004-01-18, 09:49 AM	#5
spacemanspiff Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Looz-e-anna Posts: 1,015	PR is just one of the factors that effect how your site ranks in google. There are quite a few others. A good analogy is the college football BCS rankings, if you followed that CF faisco. Your rank is effected by who you played/beat/loss to (link to), but their rank is effected by who they played/beat/loss to (link to) and on, and on, and on. A high PR simple means that google: 1. Knows about and has indexed the site. 2. Knows about and has indexed a lot of other sites that link to the site. Traffic trading and PR trading don't have to be mutually exclusive. There's no reason you can't do both. __________________ Submit your free sites to Free Sex Pics

2004-01-18, 09:01 PM	#7
spacemanspiff Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Looz-e-anna Posts: 1,015	There's a theory that google only spiders so many links on a page, like the first 100 or so. I don't know if that's the number, or even if it's true at all. Some say it's a text thing, like the first x number of characters. I really don't have a clue. There's a lot of back and forth about whether a non-recip trade is better than a recip trade. Actually, there's a lot of back and forth about everything you can imagine. When all's said and done, you can't get hurt getting good quality sites to link to you, and you can't get hurt linking to good quality sites. __________________ Submit your free sites to Free Sex Pics

2004-01-18, 08:28 AM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I've never traded for PR. I do hard links with friends on my established sites and take chances with hard link trades on new sites with other new sites.

2004-01-19, 03:12 PM	#10
Nige Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 94	Well, I exchanged backlinks on a site (PR4) that was bigger than 101k, and my backlinks were after the first 101k and they did not show up when I checked which sites link back to me. And I saw this happen with several sites that I linked to..

2004-01-21, 12:06 AM	#11
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	well i just paid the bill on my godady domains site it is just a template i made a year ago it came back up 20 minutes ago pr6 and even the internal pages but 1 are a pr6 either google really is broke or i am going insane i give up trying to figure out google anymore this site does not have 1 back link just links going off of it and it is a shit site with little or no relevance to anything. but to thoose that i did trade to from if when it hit pr5 it is good news, since it had dropped way down now it is a pr6 and the big update is cumming so hopfully we will all benifit __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-21, 02:11 AM	#12
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	babymaker, If it's the site in your profile- it's showing as a 3 for me. __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2004-01-21, 02:19 AM	#13
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	no its my domains site not sure whats in my profile lol i forget. domains site pr6 i had it checked at ans all showed a pr6 too. take a look horrible template site dont know why a pr6. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-21, 03:37 AM	#14
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	It's not PR6 DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-01-21, 03:44 AM	#15
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	really i checked like 10 times and had about ten people at ANS check too, what does it show for you??? http://www.adultxxxdomains.com copy that in and double check for me if u have a sec?? thanx i was surprised myself but i did have it checked all over the world and checked here ten times. i know it doesnt deserve it but thats what i am seeing let me know if u have a sec thanx. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-21, 06:34 AM	#16
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	It is showing a PR6 and its because of all of the cafepress backlinks from the stores - 190 or so of them - and other "unusual" backlinks - Google is showing what they found Of course if you look at any of the backlinks they dont have a link to you unless they were pulled recently so its one of those Google data errors __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash Last edited by Linkster; 2004-01-21 at 06:40 AM..

2004-01-21, 06:48 AM	#17
spacemanspiff Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Looz-e-anna Posts: 1,015	I saw 197 backlinks, but I couldn't find a link to that page on any of the ones I checked. Maybe the had links on them recently and were pulled for whatever reason, and google hasn't found out about it yet or hasn't updated their backlink database, assuming they have such a thing. __________________ Submit your free sites to Free Sex Pics

2004-01-21, 07:11 AM	#18
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Ive noticed that Google is having that problem alot lately - also noticed most of their datacenters are down which leads me to believe they are testing something Ive seen some new SERPs floating in and out in the last day or so - but looked like the algo was being worked on __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2004-01-21, 12:30 PM	#19
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	its definatley an error but in my favor for once lol, ps how do u check for backlinks in google??? __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-21, 12:38 PM	#20
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	If you don't have the toolbar... At google: link:www.domain.com link:domain.com __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2004-01-21, 01:23 PM	#21
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	DOH! lol boy am i a fucking idiot lol...never checked that blue i button on my google toolbar lol. thanx for the info was always wondering where people were getting all the backlinks info. and thoose lnks to my domains site i have no idea where thoose came from definatley an error\|rasta\| one of them is a resturaunt from the town i grew up in lol that one was a lil spooky. should google be updating pr this week?? i am hopng i can transfer a little at least to my other sites b4 this drops like a rock. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-21, 01:48 PM	#22
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Your best bet is to check here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/ I found Linkster on that board and he tipped me off to this board. __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2004-01-21, 03:11 PM	#23
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	It may look like a PR6 and smell like a PR6... but it aint! ...and its not an error. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-01-21, 04:58 PM	#24
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	so what does that mean if its not an error will it stay pr6 and why if its not an error is google showing 197 backlinks that dont exist??? i had the same thing on ths site b4 it went to a pr5 for 3 months but then dropped to a 2 i think. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2004-01-23, 08:57 AM	#25
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Been thinking about the original question - it kinda brings up a misconception that alot of people have and have been basing trades on - that page rank and toolbar PR are one and the same - they are not in my opinion. Page rank is the overall basis of the algorithm used by Google to determine importance of a page based on hundreds of factors (like text, link backs etc.) and determines the results in the SERPs for particular searches. Toolbar PR is just a logarithmic display of the pages standing compared to all pages on the web and is distributed down starting with googles index page (the top of the heap). The "toolbar PR" is just one factor in the actual Page Ranking in the results - and determines a few other thing such as spidering frequency etc. Unfortunately most trades that are performed use the toolbar PR as the basis instead of what DDave was referring to above which is the "real" PR of a page and has lead to the "PR whore" designation of some that look no further than the toolbar. Enough spouting - feel free to jump all over this __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash