Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted

DJilla · 2006-12-18, 08:33 AM

Hi! Some might have seen my rants on the UsefulScripts Blacklist. Now that I'm not so angry and more focused I'm ready to proceed.

After review of their website which apparently hasn't been updated since 2001 and many links are outright broken I was finally able to locate a phone number (+44 (0) 1732 773 723 ).

Its slightly before lunch in the UK. I have called the number of Inet Publishing (the purported owner of Usefulscripts) which is a cellular phone answered by a female who hangs up when the caller (me) inquires whether this was Inet Publishing. A second call was also hung up on without further inquiry as to why I was calling. A third and fourth call went unanswered. I'll try back again later but so far I don't expect much responsiveness. That's fine I was only calling to find out who if any their legal counsel was.

You can't successfully sue a foreign national in the US. Not true. Actually its very easy particularly if you have fairly decent initial skills to get the ball rolling which I do. What will happen is that I'll file suit in the local federal court which if Useful Scripts has a pot to piss in (which I doubt) they'll hire a local attorney to defend. If they don't show up I'll receive a default judgement. Can't collect a judgement on a foreign national you say. Actually not true either.. there are some tricks to doing this too. However, no matter, there is no limit to the amount of collateral trouble you can cause when you have judgement in hand. A judgment gives great legal authority for accumulating information and developing additonal actions.

I was greatly encouraged by my emerging plan when I fell upon by the recent precedent setting $11 million rulling against SPAMHAUS the anti spamming company and right here in Illinois which makes it easy for me to get all the legal filings from our electronic docketing system.

I'm all for a well run blacklist that captures cheaters and the like. What I'm not up for is a BL that is not administered correctly, unresponsive, and a list that has no verification or notification process and is a tool that allows petty WM's to blackball competitors without process. Furthermore, I need to do a little more research but I'm pretty sure that a civilian can sue a private company under US Racketeering statutes, that means that all of you webmasters that contribute to it under the blanket of secrecy will be actionable under a default judgement as well.

One of my domains is on this list for having "vid caps". I've seen many other posts from WM's who were on this list becasue their site scrolled past 800px or other some such crap. If you've been on this list and had to turn cartwheels to get off, or tried to get off and was ignored or not responded to, or other such perceived injustices, please PM with your story and details about how you found yourself on the list, how long if ever it took to get a response or get off. All PM's will be kept confidential. I am only trying to build a pattern of behaivor from your information. If this BL list doesn't change its practices on its own to be more formal and proper, I will change it one way or another. It may not happen tomorrow but it will happen.

Thanxxx

Licker4U · 2006-12-18, 08:45 AM

Good luck...

DJilla · 2006-12-18, 09:59 AM

Thank you! Don't get me wrong, again I'm all for a BL that works for everybody and is fair and accountable. This one isn't it. Few minutes ago found out the UsefulScripts code was written by Richard, one of the bigger players out there. Also, this script is used by some of the bigger lists out there. So why do I want to pick a fight with people I like and who could theoretically further damage my efforts out of spite? Well that's a tough one. Basically I'm pissed and that's always a bad thing cause everything else gets shoved aside. But most importantly what's been going on here for years is just wrong. If you're blacklisted on this list for the pettiest of reasons, all of your efforts, expenses, time, etc. has been wasted in the case of all those lists that never even look at your site because its rejected at the bin level. To me that means someone has wasted a lot of my time and money and I want it back.

My biggests problem with this whole thing is that you may or may not even know your on this list. Lack of notification of being on the list and identification of the person that put you there make the whole thing stink. How can we be welcoming and encouraging newbies on one hand (who are the lifeblood of this LL biz) pretending to help them and then with the other hand let some coward blackball them and waste all their good faith efforts?

SirMoby · 2006-12-18, 11:08 AM

Remember that most people that link to you don't charge you money and spend a good deal of time and money doing it. I think that this post would convince most of them to stop even with out the blacklist.

I know if I was a link list owner I'd cut all communications with you in about 3 minutes after reading this post.

There are much better ways to deal with the issue.

DJilla · 2006-12-18, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

I know if I was a link list owner I'd cut all communications with you in about 3 minutes after reading this post.

There are much better ways to deal with the issue.

I'm sorry you feel this way and I understand completely where you're coming from. I anticipated certain blacklash warranted or not. I've done a lot of board research and I've seen both sides of this matter and won't argue with your inference that "better ways to deal with this" means the conventional ones of begging and doing things quietly without creating a fuss and asking "please take me off the list" and not calling the secret WM that banned that domain a coward and piece of crap. I get that and I could've done that, you're right. I have even gently been warned "relax", no big deal, etc. But, I think you miss my personal point.

IMHO, a person whom I do not know has caused me to loose potential income, attacked a reputation, casued me to waste time which to me is money, and has done so in secret with a system that never notified me, gave me chance to respond, or offers any way for proper review other than to the webmaster that did it to begin with.

The principle is that I would never allow such a thing to occur in front of me or by someone who was affecting my business in a similar way in the real world. How can I possibly accept this in the virtual? I can not accept someone's hostile actions and then turn around to that WM and say please help me. I physically can't do it. Maybe you are a better person. If I interfere with someone's money and rep then I should expect some repurcussions. Its just that simple.

I'm thinking that maybe you avoided some of the very real deficiencies I pointed out regarding this particular BL system and how it works in favor of not liking my attitude. I'm sorry for that. Its not a matter of KA... its a matter of right and wrong.

I would hope that some people can relate to my point of view and are equally annoyed at the arbitrary administration of this list to be fair and accountable. It doesn't make a difference if you can get off by asking nicely when you shouldn't be on there to begin with.

I'll take it that your post is coming down on the side of not wanting to do biz with me because of my manner. That's unfortunate and saddens me because again I'll admit my attitude can get real bad when teased but only when I'm provoked first. My attitude shouldn't make a hill of beans in this debate. I think it should be about the business points I made.

Useless · 2006-12-18, 12:11 PM

First, let me say that you should have been relieved that ONE link list blacklisted you due to the use of vid caps and they never bothered to mention that the domain registrant name of your submission email address is different from your triplexxx.info domain. Most link lists would blacklist you for bad whois - and never tell you.

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