Do we, as an adult webmaster community, oppose supporting adult versions of YouTube?

[spazlabz]

Here is an idea that maybe we should consider trying before condemning this type of marketing outright.

Would any of you be interested in using a clone of this type of thing if it was a hosted one by your sponsor? Lets say with advertisements all over the pages for the various sites the sponsor has and all with your link code automatically in every link.

This way the viral video thing is there but it is all hosted, you just direct your traffic there and the sponsors would be responsible for the duration of the clips and how each is pushed.


spaz

[Useless]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Would any of you be interested in using a clone of this type of thing if it was a hosted one by your sponsor? Lets say with advertisements all over the pages for the various sites the sponsor has and all with your link code automatically in every link.

Not at all.

I don't intend on sending surfers to any SINGLE page where they can be easily fed all the free movies they need.

Here's the gauntlet - slip it on. I challenge all sponsors who think tube sites are a good marketing concept to create your own such clone. Pack it full of your movie clips. I don't care if they're 15 seconds or 150 seconds. Push your traffic to that for a few months and watch your ROI drop. Go for it! What you'll discover is that surfers sit there from 10-60 minutes at a time. And you'll see a much lower click-thru ratio than that of TGP galleries or free sites. Much, much lower. (Just don't ask me to help you with bandwidth bill.) If you're still willing to ask affiliates to send traffic to it AFTER your own in-house tests, I'll assume you have great big balls simply packed full of crazy juice.

Also, make sure you hire the same non-English speaking designers to create your ads as you do on your hosted galleries.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Not at all.

I don't intend on sending surfers to any SINGLE page where they can be easily fed all the free movies they need.

Here's the gauntlet - slip it on. I challenge all sponsors who think tube sites are a good marketing concept to create your own such clone. Pack it full of your movie clips. I don't care if they're 15 seconds or 150 seconds. Push your traffic to that for a few months and watch your ROI drop. Go for it! What you'll discover is that surfers sit there from 10-60 minutes at a time. And you'll see a much lower click-thru ratio than that of TGP galleries or free sites. Much, much lower. (Just don't ask me to help you with bandwidth bill.) If you're still willing to ask affiliates to send traffic to it AFTER your own in-house tests, I'll assume you have great big balls simply packed full of crazy juice.

Also, make sure you hire the same non-English speaking designers to create your ads as you do on your hosted galleries.

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[ClickBuster]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Not at all.

I don't intend on sending surfers to any SINGLE page where they can be easily fed all the free movies they need.

Here's the gauntlet - slip it on. I challenge all sponsors who think tube sites are a good marketing concept to create your own such clone. Pack it full of your movie clips. I don't care if they're 15 seconds or 150 seconds. Push your traffic to that for a few months and watch your ROI drop. Go for it! What you'll discover is that surfers sit there from 10-60 minutes at a time. And you'll see a much lower click-thru ratio than that of TGP galleries or free sites. Much, much lower. (Just don't ask me to help you with bandwidth bill.) If you're still willing to ask affiliates to send traffic to it AFTER your own in-house tests, I'll assume you have great big balls simply packed full of crazy juice.

Also, make sure you hire the same non-English speaking designers to create your ads as you do on your hosted galleries.

How can you be 100% sure about that, since the vids on most of the Tube sites push different domains, watermarked in the video or after that? I bet that many of the potential customers type in the domain name of the site without going thru any ref codes and such.

I think the best way to find out is to start publishing vids promoting your own domain and see how that converts.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ClickBuster

I think the best way to find out is to start publishing vids promoting your own domain and see how that converts.

It's all about the ROI, or lack there of. Sure, they'll be a limited amount of type-in traffic. Everything I've read about tube sites reports of a struggle to stay afloat. Can they be profitable? Of course. But the ROI is typically much lower than that of other mediums.

I truly fear for the sponsor's wallet that decides to launch a hosted tube clone for affiliate traffic. If you're paying out 50-60% or worse - $35PPS - you'll find bandwidth costs, even in this age of cheap BW, to be horribly cumbersome. Click-thru-wise, it'll potentially have a lower value than those damnable surfer boards where they post 25 hosted vid galleries in a single post. The surfer gets all he/she needs [of a site's content] in one spot.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Here is an idea that maybe we should consider trying before condemning this type of marketing outright....

That's still teaching the surfer how to find a boatload of free movies.

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Good post Useless

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Greenie

That's still teaching the surfer how to find a boatload of free movies.

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Good post Useless

That wasn't a good post from useless, it was shit. There I said it. I floated an idea, did it have merit or not? Near as I can tell it gave useless the chance to be what he is.

Allow me to quote my own post if I may

Would any of you be interested in using a clone of this type of thing if it was a hosted one by your sponsor? Lets say with advertisements all over the pages for the various sites the sponsor has and all with your link code automatically in every link.

and pay special attention to the words I prefaced the idea with

Would any of you be interested in

it required a yes or no and maybe a bit of an explanation as to why it would be something some would or would not be interested in.

You know, I come here and try to get business done and have since GG&J kicked open its door and I have been proud of my participation in many very high quality threads. But seriously Useless Warriors constant sarcasm and shitty remarks has just worn me down to the point where I just don't have any fucking time for his silliness any longer.

spaz

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Greenie

That's still teaching the surfer how to find a boatload of free movies.

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Good post Useless

cool one point i failed to point out in my last post. exactly how it is different then an MGP, Blog or any other marketing technique we use collectively. It seems that it is another way to put sales text in front of the eyes of traffic. How many free movie clips are on link-o-rama?

i guarantee there is more on your site alone then 8 clips from every single one of the 14 sites we have... well maybe not Virgin Films because that site has a pretty impressive number of videos but STILL. I am talking about another way for affiliates to diversify how they work their traffic and my understanding is there are very few who can marry one method and make really good money in it.

so please tell me how a sponsor hosted tube clone is any worse then LL, MGPs, TGPs or any other method that gives away free content.


spaz

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

...so please tell me how a sponsor hosted tube clone is any worse then LL, MGPs, TGPs or any other method that gives away free content...

Those are all the same business model.

I'd bet that most surfers don't know the difference between a free site or a gallery or a link list or a tgp or a mgp - they just know where to go to find links to porn.

Tube sites are a completely different business model that teaches the surfer that when they see a tube site, they can get a shitload of movies for free.

If you wanted to open one up & attach an affiliate program to it, go nuts. I would not promote it, but I understand why you'd want to do it.

Useless's post is probably how most (currently 75% of us) feel right now.

Out of the 7 YES votes, 5 are people affiliated with paysites/programs - that's fine by me - I'm not gonna help you get a tube site off the ground, but I'm not bashing anyone for exploring different ways to generate revenue (just like I would not bash a program for taking an ad out in a magazine)

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Out of the 7 YES votes, 5 are people affiliated with paysites/programs - that's fine by me -

I voted yes, and it has nothing to do with having paysites of my own. I feel much the same way as Tommy posted. If I support free porn whatsoever, I'd be a hypocrite to come down on newer free porn enterprises that don't necessarily fit my business model. I have trouble with the concept of it being ok as long as it's within X # of parameters. As posted above, free porn = free porn = free porn

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

I voted yes, and it has nothing to do with having paysites of my own. I feel much the same way as Tommy posted. If I support free porn whatsoever, I'd be a hypocrite to come down on newer free porn enterprises that don't necessarily fit my business model. I have trouble with the concept of it being ok as long as it's within X # of parameters. As posted above, free porn = free porn = free porn

Let me ask you this: can you think of anything that has (or would) negatively effected your business model that you had (or would) supported/endorsed?

[SheepGuy]

I've always been opposed to free porn, but I don't live in a cave so I've adapted. I didn't vote, because it's none of my business, and it wouldn't make any difference anyways.
I disagree with it as a business model, I think it's short sighted, but I said the same thing about TGP's years ago. I was wrong then, I may be wrong now.
Live and let live, if I have to adapt I'll do my damndest to do so, right now I'm not particularly worried.
The sky always sems to be falling in this biz, I've gotten somewhat immune to worrying.

[cutclips]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

so please tell me how a sponsor hosted tube clone is any worse then LL, MGPs, TGPs or any other method that gives away free content.
spaz

because free clips that run over a minute are the very thing the user is looking for. long enough to spank. free streaming video is very desirable.

you can slice traffic up into quality traffic, and parse that into categories based on buying behavior, but the fact of the matter is, highly motivated buyers are outnumbered by the vast amount of users looking not to buy, but to spank. that means the tube sites are catering to a larger demo.
that's how they are worse. they get to the ends by jumping the usual means.
the real issue here is not about free content, but about the quantity of free content. a free ten minute clip is more detrimental to affiliate models than two gallery pages with five or six jpgs.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Would any of you be interested in using a clone of this type of thing if it was a hosted one by your sponsor? Lets say with advertisements all over the pages for the various sites the sponsor has and all with your link code automatically in every link.

This way the viral video thing is there but it is all hosted, you just direct your traffic there and the sponsors would be responsible for the duration of the clips and how each is pushed.


spaz

Ok, I first voted "no" but only b/c of user uploaded content/2257 worries. I do not have anything against the technology or people giving away more free clips, and I really don't see how others can sit here and talk about giving away an unlimitited supply of movies. WTF? You can get that now, no problem...

Anyways, as for myself, yes I would be interested in hosted / shared movies with the viral effect you are describing. What's not to like about that from a webmasters point of view? I do understand it is a different business model, but I for one am not afraid of changing with the times.

Also, I really don't think the bandwidth concern for the sponsor bothers me one bit. It's not my bill, so knock yourself out. I'll try promoting it most likely.