Stats for Afiliates and Question

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

The whole CCBILL thing -- I usually shy away from them because of certain things I have heard and seen over the years.

What have you heard? That they've paid on time, week after week, year after year?

Most sponsors who you use 3rd party affiliate back-ends use CCBill as a processor if not their PRIMARY processor. So whether you know it or not, you're getting paid by CCBill.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What have you heard? That they've paid on time, week after week, year after year?

Most sponsors who you use 3rd party affiliate back-ends use CCBill as a processor if not their PRIMARY processor. So whether you know it or not, you're getting paid by CCBill.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable on these things the way others may be, so bear that in mind when reading this From my understanding ccbill have tracking issues on the part of the affiliate. So while payments get processed on ccbill programs for the program owner, sales go amiss for the referring affiliate. From what I recall, the ampersand in the aff code, pointed out a while ago I think by Toby in another thread, and the various errors (possibly ony 1 per string, my memory may be playing tricks on me) when you run a page with ccbill aff codes through the validator at w3.org.

With programs that use their own tracking, yes, the payment is processed by ccbill, but the tracking is seperate. CCbill are primarily a processor, not a program designed with the emphasis on affiliate marketers.

Their penalty for anyone unfortunate enough to have suffered CBs from the same person of 3 months worth of billing or more in one hit hit's very hard also, I got hit by a guy for 7 at once a while back, and saw sales tumble - it's speculation of course, but after having another guy CB 3 at oce and seeing the same results, I'm convinced my affiliate account was flagged and subjected to extra scrubbing.

Saying all that, I still use, and sign up for ccbill affiliate programs, but I don't go out of my way to look for them

[Useless]

I intend to address all of those issues when I take over CCBill.

Though I do think it is time for the fine folks at CCBill to create an alternative method for sale tracking, since every filthy cocksucker out there is killing our cookies, my primary point is that CCBill can be trusted. They aren't going out of their way to screw us over. Even with all the scrubbing and cookie swapping, CCBill-only sponsors continue to convert better for me than those who use cascading systems. I don't know why that is, but I refuse to believe that it just happens to be that way.

I think a very respected member of this board may have already created a system for better sales tracking for CCBill sites, but I've only ever seen it mentioned once, so I won't link to it in case that person didn't intend to make it public yet.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...since every filthy cocksucker out there is killing our cookies...

Are you saying some surfers disable cookies? Why would they do that?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Are you saying some surfers disable cookies? Why would they do that?

Some do, but I was referring to scumware, such as the ever-popular Zango.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

... my primary point is that CCBill can be trusted. They aren't going out of their way to screw us over.

I've found a few bugs in their system over the years. Mainly referral commisions weren't credited for about 4 months, and a few other minor things.

They keep telling me that it only affected my account , and end up cutting me a manual check for the difference. Either that, or after 4-5 phone calls to different people, they pass it on to accounting who never answers ,

[Useless]

Jesus Fucking Christ! Do you cocksuckers want to start arguing the pros and cons of only CCBill, or should we create a list of ALL the fucking CC processors and ALL the stats/affiliate systems? Remind me not to claim anything about fucking anything ever again, you nit-picking bunch of bastards. Go blindly in to that good night and get your hairy asses shaved all you want! Sorry if I prefer to have mine gently scrubbed.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Jesus Fucking Christ! Do you cocksuckers want to start arguing the pros and cons of only CCBill, or should we create a list of ALL the fucking CC processors and ALL the stats/affiliate systems? Remind me not to claim anything about fucking anything ever again, you nit-picking bunch of bastards. Go blindly in to that good night and get your hairy asses shaved all you want! Sorry if I prefer to have mine gently scrubbed.

If we didn't bitch & moan about what we don't like with the sponsors & the processors, we'd have to spend more time concentrating on what the real problem is...our sites suck & we couldn't sell water in a desert

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Greenie

If we didn't bitch & moan about what we don't like with the sponsors & the processors, we'd have to spend more time concentrating on what the real problem is...our sites suck & we couldn't sell water in a desert

You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or allow?



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[Jel]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I intend to address all of those issues when I take over CCBill.

Looking forward to it

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Though I do think it is time for the fine folks at CCBill to create an alternative method for sale tracking, since every filthy cocksucker out there is killing our cookies, my primary point is that CCBill can be trusted. They aren't going out of their way to screw us over. Even with all the scrubbing and cookie swapping, CCBill-only sponsors continue to convert better for me than those who use cascading systems. I don't know why that is, but I refuse to believe that it just happens to be that way.

I think a very respected member of this board may have already created a system for better sales tracking for CCBill sites, but I've only ever seen it mentioned once, so I won't link to it in case that person didn't intend to make it public yet.

Yeah agreed. Like you say, they can be trusted, and aren't out to intentionally fuck us affiliates over. FWIW Nat's sucks for me also, but that's getting the thread a bit more off topic than it's become already

BTW your 'refuse' link doesn't work