Finally, my first site

[secretagentwilly]

Hello all....I've finally done my first site. All feedback is appreciated. I have to admit I was a little gun shy with the outgoing links. Some of the sites I've seen look too busy, so I tried to keep it clean and not too busy. Please provide feedback on missed opportunities if you think there are some with this site, like if I could or should add an additional banner or if I need some links or something on the warning page.

Thank you in advance


http://www.easymama.com/freesites/bl...te1/index.html

[Bill]

Some people would say your enter text is too small. Probably safer to make it bigger, to get accepted at the most places. In general, safest to make the enter and gallery links fairly large, clear, and fairly positioned.

You don't really need the extra navigation links at the bottom of the gallery pages. Without them you get a better shot of sending your sales message, imo, but it's up to you.

I couldn't tell you if that content is overexposed, it's the ll owners who know that kind of thing.

[AndyS]

Looks very nice and clean easymama, I would agree with what Bill said especially with the nav, links at the bottom of the gallery pages. At the very least have your add above them as that’s the first thing you want them to see rather than more freebies.
Personally I would also make a bigger sales pitch on the main page and only have a link back to that page from each gallery making the surfer see it at least twice.
Last thing some LL might not list it as half the pictures are plain nude and don’t really represent the title ‘Big Mouthfuls’.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by easymama

http://www.easymama.com/freesites/bl...te1/index.html

Not bad for a first site. Your meta description and content lists sponsors pay sites. Not sure how that will help you. Might want to put some keywords there that describe YOUR site, not just list theirs, and use those keywords on your pages.

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by Bill

I couldn't tell you if that content is overexposed, it's the ll owners who know that kind of thing.

Bill, thanks for the comments, I made the enter/do not enter and the home link bigger and got rid of the links to my homepage in the gallery footers. I've seen that in other galleries and I thought it made sense to get the link back. One follow up question...can you explain what you meant by overexposed? I know what overexposed means, but can I ask why you think it might? My gut tells me because bang bros is very commercialized. I thought about that, dealt with it by making up my own descriptions, the text that is, and I still decided to promote bang bros because it's my experience that they convert real well and I'm loyal to that. But yes, I agree the link lists will snuff it in a heartbeat if it is overexposed. Do you think bang bros is not real good to promote because it's too commercialized?

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by AndyS

Personally I would also make a bigger sales pitch on the main page and only have a link back to that page from each gallery making the surfer see it at least twice.
Last thing some LL might not list it as half the pictures are plain nude and don’t really represent the title ‘Big Mouthfuls’.

Thank you for the comments Andy. A few follow up questions. When you say make a bigger sales pitch on the main page, you're talking about index2 right, not the warning page? And on that, how would you go about doing that? I see on other galleries where they have a bunch of flashing ads for link-o-rama and for penisbot and a bunch of other stuff and it looks too busy to me Are you suggesting more sponsor ads or a bigger text narrative?

With the LL and "big mouthfuls" comment, at the end of the galleries, in the image flow, the girl gets a big mouthful, are you suggesting that I should have 16 pics of cumshots if I call it a big mouthful? I simply called it bigmouthfuls for Roma & Micah because the sponsor was bigmouthfuls.com. I suppose I can change the title. Any additional thoughts?

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Your meta description and content lists sponsors pay sites. Not sure how that will help you. Might want to put some keywords there that describe YOUR site, not just list theirs, and use those keywords on your pages.

Thank you licker, follow up question is are you saying, put the current meta tags on the gallery pages and on the warning and index2, use the meta's for my site? The reason I use those key words is because when I look in overture's keyword stats, these key words, well these sites, get tons of searches for them. So I figure if they are searching for them and come accross my site, then I'll get the referral. I think it's more because I doubt the keyword blowjob would do me any favors when probably every site listed in someone's signature on this board has that keyword. I will experiment and see if these keywords get me anywhere and switch them out as needed. Thank you for the comments.

[secretagentwilly]

So here's another follow up question, I'm going to wait a few more days for a few more comments and build a few more sites and then, what's next? Where do I find the good LL to start with? When you submit to a linklist, do you clone your free site multiple times so you can add the link backs for each LL you submit to? Is there anything else I should add? Does anyone thing there's wasted space where I could put more advertising? Thank you all for your comments thus far.

[LD]

I have found recip.builder invaluable as well as the link list listing on this site (look under resources)...and as far as lising goes, try to get on Greenie's LOR for max traffic.

I like your site...it is simple and easy to navigate. Something I've noticed as a newbie is that many high traffic sites are very simple with lots of text links and sparse graphics and pics. Makes sense, since when I am surfing for porn, I want to get to it as easy as possible.

I was wondering about your enter page. I am new at this, and i tend to try to make the enter/warning page somewhat enticing. Is it best to make just a plain and simple warning/enter page and put the good stuff inside, or should you get started right away with the theme of the site?

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

I have found recip.builder invaluable as well as the link list listing on this site (look under resources)...and as far as lising goes, try to get on Greenie's LOR for max traffic.

I was wondering about your enter page. I am new at this, and i tend to try to make the enter/warning page somewhat enticing. Is it best to make just a plain and simple warning/enter page and put the good stuff inside, or should you get started right away with the theme of the site?

What is recip builder? Is that linking software? I will try LOR and max traffic. As for the warning page, I don't know the answer. My ethics tell me no, leave it clean, but my sales aspect tell me to get them anywhere you can including the warning page. I didn't put anything on the warning page because I think it is just that, a warning page to keep the youngin's away from what we don't want them to see. I think it would be counter productive to have a picture of a dick or something on a warning page...at that point, there's no need for a warning, the person is already exposed or offended. I went with the clean warning page mostly though, because someone that stumbles onto it by mistake will only be offended. They weren't going to convert anyway. Somone looking for the content, will click enter, as they do on all the other sites they enter, and have a better chance of converting the sale. Only my opinion though.

[LD]

http://recipbuilder.com/

I use the free version to find niche specific list. It does create the table for you, although I usually end up creating my own since I like to do it manually.

I'm interested in hearing comments on the enter page thing...

[secretagentwilly]

Luscious, can you post a link to your recip builder so I can see what it looks like in action? Likewise, I'll check out the site. Thanks

[Bill]

Originally Posted by easymama

can you explain what you meant by overexposed?

Well, in general, the more popular the sponsor, the more likely that the free sponsor content has been seen so many times by the linklist reviewers that they don't want any more sites built with it.

One way to try to figure out if your content is overexposed is to go to the appropriate category at greenguys, and just go down the list of freesites checking to see what content they are using. If you see the same content you are using more than once, maybe twice, you should consider picking some other content.

Especially if they have a "NEW" site listed with that content.

And especially if you are a new submitter.

Looking at the other freesites you'll be competing with for sales can teach you a lot, so you get double benefit by looking at the existing freesites and content in your chosen category.

If you are just starting out, it can be a good idea to pick a smaller, less-often-seen sponsor - the content is fresher, the sponsor is fresher, you get listed a bit easier.

But, popular sponsors are usually popular because they make decent sales - less-common sponsors sometimes just don't make the sales you'd like to see. Then again, sometimes they do better, because you're not competing with 20 other people for the sale.

[secretagentwilly]

excellent information...thank you very much...I'll run with it for my future sites...right now, I'm mostly going for style and technique and hitting the requirements...I would've learned that lesson later I'm sure of it, luckily for me, I've learned it now...I'll look into other sponsors or maybe some older content from the more popular sponsors. That makes perfect sense that as soon as bang bros puts out a new picture set that 1000 webmasters are probably making up their galleries immediately and then submitting. Thank you.

[Presmar]

I noticed that you are selling memberships using the $4.95 trial on all your pages. I think that is a good idea, however, you might want to change your sales text so that it's not the same on each page.

Also, I would put some enticing "eye candy" above that text to make sure the surfers attention is directed there at some point. When they get done surfing your photos you don't want them to go right back to the navigation photos, so I'd get rid of them and put a hot looking banner there instead.

It's a nice site and i'd list it for sure. Good job!

[AndyS]

yeah sorry i did mean the index2 page, by a bigger pitch i mean maybe a bigger than standard banner with more text that really sells the site, something that really grabs the surfers attention away from the links to gallery pages 1 and 2.
About the content it is not so much it should be 16 pictures with 'big mouthfuls' just that someone who clicks on your link generally would not be interested in the first 8 softcore nude pics at the top of the galleries.

[secretagentwilly]

Cool beans...thank you everyone for the clarifications and the guidance...I'll make some adjustments and then try some submissions. And then start from scratch and do it all over again... =) Thank you all...

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by easymama

Thank you licker, follow up question is are you saying, put the current meta tags on the gallery pages and on the warning and index2, use the meta's for my site? The reason I use those key words is because when I look in overture's keyword stats, these key words, well these sites, get tons of searches for them. So I figure if they are searching for them and come accross my site, then I'll get the referral. I think it's more because I doubt the keyword blowjob would do me any favors when probably every site listed in someone's signature on this board has that keyword. I will experiment and see if these keywords get me anywhere and switch them out as needed. Thank you for the comments.

I don't know if it's right or wrong but I put the same meta keywords on each page of a site.

I guess using the keywords you have might help but I put things like blowjobs, oral sex, cum swallowing, etc. for a blowjob site as my meta's.

I use Overture's keyword tool for site titles. Blowjobs returns things I can use like Teen Blow Job, Hot Blow Job, Amateur Blow Job, etc.

Originally Posted by easymama

As for the warning page, I don't know the answer. My ethics tell me no, leave it clean, but my sales aspect tell me to get them anywhere you can including the warning page.

I'm allowed three links/page and I use them. We had a thread a while back and most agreed if the warning page isn't the root domain but a sub folder it's OK to have hardcore on the page. Most surfers don't accidentally get to a sub folder, they had to do something intentional to get there. I don't go with complete hardcore but naked bodies are always an option and sponsor links are always there. I checked my stats and 98% of my sales come from my index page. Why burn bandwidth giving them your pics if you can sell them before they get there?

[LowryBigwood]

Hi easymama,

I will give you my thoughts on your site. First thing I noticed, is you have 2 exit links going to google on your index page. The entire page is bland and boring at a glance. Your sales text is very easy for me to skip right on over without reading and go directly to your ENTER link which is bigger than anything else on the page.

If it was my site, I would probably use some graphics of some sort to give this page a little bit of life. I would also add more sales text and draw more attention to where I want the surfers to click. You do not have to make it so easy for them to find the free porn and skip right over your ads.

Your very bottom link that goes back to your index should be up higher on the page where it might actually get some clicks IMHO. And I would not remove the underline on the link, nobody is going to click on that link where it is now. And one purpose of building freesites is to also funnel traffic back into your hubs, so you might want to give that a little thought on your link back to your index.

Also, this is just my personal preference.. But, I do not provide an exit link for anyone to leave. They can simply hit the back button if they don't want to be on my site, but all links are for sponsors or my own sites.

I would not be using the paysite names in my meta tags either. IMHO that is not doing anything for you and could probably find some better keywords to use instead.

On the main, gallery1, and gallery2 pages, what's up with the HOME link? You should be able to get 1 more ad on each gallery page also.

Hope this helps a little bit.

[pigbait75]

hey mamma be careful how you name your pages some LL wont take a index2 cause they think your gonna submit index1 to them with all their recips and then put index2 up after your accepted with all your own links on it. as far as graphics go on your warning page look at this click here I try to make it as fancy as i can to get someone to want to click it. yours right now I can't even read the header text with the colors your using and I've been told a million times NO LINKS ON THE TGP page what so ever make your surfer have to back out and see your banners and links all over again he might see something the second time he didn't the first time. hope this helps you already got alot of help just thought I'd give you my opinions on it.

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by pigbait75

I've been told a million times NO LINKS ON THE TGP page what so ever make your surfer have to back out and see your banners and links all over again he might see something the second time he didn't the first time.

NO links on the TGP page? Is that the general consensus out there? On link-O-Rama, it says no more than three banners/links to sponsors on each page.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by pigbait75

I've been told a million times NO LINKS ON THE TGP page

What TGP page? It's a free site, not a TGP....

Or are you saying not to put a link on gallery one to gallery two, make the surfer go back to the main page to click the link to gallery two so they see the ads on the main page again....?

[secretagentwilly]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

What TGP page? It's a free site, not a TGP....

Or are you saying not to put a link on gallery one to gallery two, make the surfer go back to the main page to click the link to gallery two so they see the ads on the main page again....?

I hope the more experienced linklist owners weigh in on this because this is kind of important...it's again the grain for a lot of the rules...but a million times is a million times...

[secretagentwilly]

Well let's see if I've done some improvements or not...I took the freesite that I finally did, and took a lot of suggestions to make it improved and this is what I came up with...let me have it: http://www.easymama.com/freesites/bbw/freesite12/

if you want to do a comparison, here's my original first site:
http://www.easymama.com/freesites/bbw/freesite1/

Thank you in advance...

[LD]

I'm learning the ropes myself, but I must say that's a HUGE improvement. Looks really nice, and the enter page has enough to get some interest going.